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I have been working on a programming language, also called Go, for the last 10 years. There have been papers published on this and I have a book. I would appreciate it if google changed the name of this language; as I do not want to have to change my language! |
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Nov 10, 2009
References? |
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Nov 10, 2009
If you google (sic) francis mccabe go you will find some references. I published the book on lulu.com |
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Nov 10, 2009
I think Mr McCabe's language is called "Go!". Here's the Lulu link: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/lets-go/641689 |
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Nov 10, 2009
reidellis: is right! its "Lets Go!" or "Go!". This is google "go", "The Go Programming Language" Bigg Difference.. :) P.s. Anyone hearing the release of Google "go" would have picked up their book that never sold and started finding the work "GO" and as they would find their 1st "GO" they wil go , Eureka! :) |
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Nov 10, 2009
My language is called Go!. The book is called Let's Go!. The issue is not whether or not Google's go will be well known. It is one of fairness. |
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Nov 10, 2009
In Go! , can the IDE know the differences between Go! and go ? |
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Nov 10, 2009
ah... Google should change the name... |
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Nov 10, 2009
Indeed they should. Full support for you, Mr. McCabe. It's not that hard to find references to your language online either - it was on the first page of Bing, second of Google for 'go programming language'. In fact, the title of the Google go tutorial page is even "Let's Go". It would be pretty poor for you folks Google to keep this name given your "do no evil" slogan! |
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Nov 10, 2009
Google should totally change the name, fmccabe you should find a (cheap) lawyer just in case... Google has deep pockets. |
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Nov 10, 2009
btw, what's up reddit |
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Nov 10, 2009
fmcabe -- could you contact me at alex @ dailyfinance.com? Might want to write a little article about this. Thanks. |
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Nov 10, 2009
google should change! |
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Nov 10, 2009
maybe name it Goo or Foo |
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Nov 10, 2009
A company claiming to capture world's info, missed it!!! |
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Nov 10, 2009
Let the language with the most users keep its name. Er... That's not yours, is it? |
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Nov 10, 2009
Go, find a new name. ;) |
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Nov 10, 2009
I agree with majority on this. Google should change the name of this language... Francis McCab is right, Go! and Go are not that different. And he went first, public. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should consider a different name simply for the reason that "Go" is just a too common word and it might eventually become difficult to google for references and examples about this language. A somewhat more unique name can have its benefits. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I think lango would be a great name and I am hereby to give away to google any copyrights for the name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goo, whould be just fine. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goo is already taken too, although it has been dead for a few years I think. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goo is the name of a Lisp dialect. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Both Google and fmccabe should find a new name, "Go" is silly name for a programming language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
how about GOOP = Google Object Oriented Programming? mccabe- personally, I agree with you, but while you may be first, and you may be published, your issue title begs not to take you seriously regardless of your actual stature. I do hope this is resolved in your favor though. |
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Nov 11, 2009
how about ogle? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Given that is derives from Limbo, "Bo" would be short and sweet as well. They can also use "boroutines" :P |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goo is gone too? damn.. what about Goat? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'd go for JAgo: Just Another go |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goat Special Edition |
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Nov 11, 2009
It is completely absurd to use name of an already existing language. Hey Google, couldn't you, i don't know... google it? Oh right, the name is so generic, that is almost impossible to get relevant matches. If this language catches on, it'll be a nightmare to search for problems and solutions. |
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Nov 11, 2009
May I humbly suggest "go2"? Even C++ got away with naming the language after an esoteric feature of C -- perhaps naming a language after "goto" isn't that bad. |
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Nov 11, 2009
There are so many hobby and specialist programming languages it'd be hard to find a name that's not taken. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@33 Disturbing but funny... I can imagine the logo now: 3OE @34 Look at the dates of these things, it would appear that go started around the same time that the book was being written (but Go! already existed). I wouldn't be surprised to learn that due diligence was done at the time but simply that since then it just hadn't been revisited. @36 http://xkcd.com/292/ |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not just name it Golang? Erlang - "Ericsson Language" Golang - "Google Language" |
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Nov 11, 2009
Does anyone use 'Go!'? If yours is better, or has a decent user base then a name change might be the right thing to do. If you're bringing it up for academic pride then I don't see why they should have to change anything. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Jago is already taken by a program to play the game of go. |
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Nov 11, 2009
This is issue 9...... Plan 9..... Coincidence? |
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Nov 11, 2009
It is obvious that Google employees did not research the name in terms of existing languages before release. In such a situation I believe Google is at fault and the name should be changed. I doubt it will happen but it to change it would be in line with "do no evil". |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about "Google Go"? Go2 is pretty clever though, so my vote is on that. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google always releases new products with the prefix "Google". In this case, I don't know if Google want release a new product or make an Alliance like Android. In the first case, I would use "GoogleC". For the second, something like "GCP" from (Google C Python). |
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Nov 11, 2009
i'd suggest "giggity giggity goo" as new name since quagmire is a very funny guy btw. hi reddit :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Do" ? Makes sense, check the purpose of the lang. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goat it is... there, settled. |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about OG? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Well, one of you should rename its language "gone" :D |
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Nov 11, 2009
First Closure (name-squatting Clojure) now Go stopping Go! in its tracks. Just another week in the life of a giant company. Google seems to be dropping to the level of ye olde "Embrace and Extend" - just throw your weight around - MSFT mode. Way to go (!) boys! I think I'll might just create a search engine called "Google!", let's see if this ruffles some feathers in the 'Plex. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Rename the language to just "G" / "G!" makes it more clear that it's a lower level compiled language and also indicates that it's new. |
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Nov 11, 2009
or G plus |
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Nov 11, 2009
goo? |
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Nov 11, 2009
So what about the game GO. That name has been used for years too. How well used is you language. Do you have a major following in place that use it or is is just something you used. You mention a web site publishing. What about actual registering the name before Google gets a hold of it? Over time eventually every word or name can claimed to be used. If you don't actually register its usage or copryright/left or trademark it I guess your shot. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Ironic that Google didn't Google the name first |
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Nov 11, 2009
G, Golang and Goto are all great names. There should be a poll! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Considering the circumstances, the following might be an appropriate name: D'oh! |
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Nov 11, 2009
@55: I doubt if they'd call it G! due to Yahoo!. Or maybe they could, just to poke Y! to check if there's still life in the rival ;-) Yahoo! had a product for mobile phones called Go, BTW. It's now turned into a longish sentence. I'd vote for go2 as well. It's the new go, the new goto and it doesn't take away the "go func()" syntax for goroutines. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@40 Golang looks like a winner... they're already using the domain http://golang.org/ and it looks like no-one else is using that as a language name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Seems like a bit of basic research would have uncovered the similarity before announcement. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@54: Closure is named after a well known and well established javascript (ECMAscript) programming concept, which makes sense since that's what it targets. I doubt it has anything to do with something with a different (although close) name when something with the SAME name is already part of the language they're doing. If you're going to complain about that complain about the fact that now searching for "javascript closure" is ambiguous as to whether you mean the concept or the compiler. Searching for "Clojure" still returns the correct results. As for the name, as you all rightly pointed out, one is called "go" and the other is called "Go!". Am I the only person seeing the similarities between that and "C" and "C#"? If you think that having an extra character is a problem, you should go speak to Microsoft first. People also pointed out the fact that "goo" is already taken, who is going to be first to demand they change their name too for being too close to "Go!"? Or "G"? I suggest you see these lists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages http://esolangs.org/wiki/Language_list See how many languages there are on those lists where one name is only separated from another name by one character? Is this going to be a new campaign that any programming language must have at least 4 different characters from another programming language? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'd like to point out that G and Goto are already used as names for programming languages, although Goto seems to be just a hobby language. G - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LabVIEW Goto Language - http://pivot.servut.us/w/Goto |
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Nov 11, 2009
I propose this name : IHAUTNF*M*PL as the formal, official name. For day-to-day activities we could use "Issue 9". ;-) |
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Nov 11, 2009
@66 the spelling may be different, but in both cases (Clojure and Go!), the pronounciation of the Google newly introduced products is identical. I don't know if there's a legal case here, but Google financial weight makes any trial unfair to begin with. It's more a matter of courtesy and good manners anyway. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I agree it should be renamed "Issue 9" |
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Nov 11, 2009
and... Goopy = GOOgle + PYthon? Golang is great too. |
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Nov 11, 2009
All those asking how much usership Go has: Should that really be an issue? If Go is a legitimate language, Google should do the sensible thing and change their name. Otherwise this would just be a case of the little guy getting stomped on by the big company. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I third "Issue 9"! |
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Nov 11, 2009
On a side note: it wasn't easy to find information on Go! via Google, Bing or Yahoo. I can understand that the Google people may have missed it during a scan on whether the name was already used. It doesn't really matter though. A solution needs to be worked out here. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Go and Go! are not the same? Great, I just started a new company called Yahoo. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Fantastic idea! "Issue 9!" |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should change the name to "god". Why hold back on the level of ambition here. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should do the right thing and change their name, be gracious about it. Do no evil, remember ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
What is peculiar is that on Mr. McCabe's blog (http://frankmccabe.wordpress.com/category/computer-languages/) he mentions (in a 2008 post, the year after his go! book) he's developing a language, and does not mention this languages name (I am guessing it _might_ be go!, but who knows?); Wikipedia has no mention of "go!"; I don't find reference with google or bing (other than news generated by this thread); However, McCabe did publish a paper on "go!" (2004): http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~klc/annals.pdf In fact, the paper states that 'Go!' is available on http://sourceforge.net/projects/networkagent/, and was developed jointly with McCabe and Clark. The description is of "A group of systems for building network-oriented intelligent agents, consisting an agent communications infrastructure, April - an agent construction programming language, Go! - a logic programming language and DialoX - an XML-based user interface engine". I don't know if this domain specificity impacts go's stated general purpose systems programming - but the sourceforge area has commits back in 2000. Interesting! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Francis McCabe, do you have a trademark with a (tm) or registered on your language "Go!"? I see you have a book on it, very nice. A trademark though would likely settle this matter in your favor especially if you decided to ask The Google for a bit of their GOld that shines on GOogle for your letting them use Go as a name for their language. Just a thought. I really like Golang by the way Go(oogle) team since Go(ogle) seems to be very similar and in the same category of languages as Erlang in the sense of servers and clients communicating via pipes aka channels in Go(ogle) much like what happens in Erlang. Both are characterized by coarse grained concurrency in the servers, although in your examples you did show a very simple fine grained 100,000 unit spawn of Go(ogle)routines flocking in a serial flow of chain linked servers. Nice. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I fourth Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
@82 Common law with regards to copyright, I don't think he needs a trademark. |
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Nov 11, 2009
5th for Issue 9/ |
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Nov 11, 2009
It doesn't matter who has bigger user base, more money, better or more expensive lawyers or something similar. The issue is simple, the guy invented the language, put some effort on it, published a book, and now BigCo! is trying to bully him to abandon it just because they couldn't find out some name which is not taken. It's just not fair. |
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Nov 11, 2009
In my opinion Google should rename their language |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm going to have blind faith in Google and just expect them to change the name ...adding an apology to Mr Francis McCabe would be mighty nice too =D hi reddit! ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
#77: Why not start a company called "Google!" ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil then ... don't |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google: Don't be evil and steal this guy's programming language name just because you're bigger than him. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for renaming Google "Go" to "Issue 9". This would prove that Google has a sense of humor and respect for others' ideas that came first (even the other did not register a trademark). |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google needs to sue this guy "fmccabe", shut him down and get his book revoked, he's disrupting their services. Maybe they can find something in his gmail inbox or search history to help them. I'm sure with their money they can find a technicality. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@jsykari, > May I humbly suggest "go2"? Very good, but I would humbly suggest "go2c" since it is a C-like language (...and say it fast ;-). |
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Nov 11, 2009
@94 NSFW hahahhaah |
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Nov 11, 2009
go++ |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like go2 and go2 variants, but I wouldn't use a language named after an antipattern. Haha... :P Issue 9 sounds pretty good. I also vote for Goopy |
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Nov 11, 2009
It'd be better to do it now and leave this little dude alone than to continue the ambiguity. Google's Go is only a day old, not too much to lose if they change the name now. Also, maybe little guy has some money, or will find some money, and litigate, as he's already expressed his displeasure at the collision. I think it's best for everyone if Google just mans up and makes the change now. In the end it will only generate more publicity for both Gos, and everyone will be happy, and the threat of unpleasant ramifications (including bad PR and possible litigation) vanishes. There is no abundance of documentation or online help that will be derailed right now if Google makes the change, though I'd reckon a language that's been around for 10 years has some. Fingers crossed that Google will do it, though I doubt they will. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Maybe they could change it to "going" or "gone"? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Call it Goe! Spell it with an 'e' |
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Nov 11, 2009
yet another proposal: I9 short form of "issue 9", reflects the fact that it was published first in 2009, and hopefully does not clash with any other name |
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Nov 11, 2009
6th for Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
I also love 'Issue 9'. Awesome name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I 8th Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Mike have a son called Pete. Andrew now wants to call his newborn Pete. Mike calls Andrew and says "hey, I thought about that 1st". Everybody: "yeah Andrew, he did, please use another name, such as IHAUTNF*M*PL" @69 joke opportunity wasted ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
McCabe came first and Google should change the name. Given the Google's awareness failure, perhaps Goof would be a good name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
how about "vamos" ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
@105 yes, but in your story, Andrew should use YAHDPUANSAI ! |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about "Hell" for a name? So we can make translators from Go, to Hell. Got it? "go to hell" Ha! Sometimes I amaze myself... This clearly isn't one of those moments... BTW: I'm with the original Go! author and I suggest "goat" as a new name for Google's Go |
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Nov 11, 2009
Isse #9 is my vote! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I really think it would be best for Google to change the name - this is an issue which could create a really bad vibe and put off the kind of early adopters Google are hoping to reach for their language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I 10th, Issue 9 sounds good. |
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Nov 11, 2009
And my axe! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I once had an open source project with a "name collision" with another such project (a twitter client named Bluebird). Their team had a very talented designer, so we made an arrangement that their team would contribute artwork to my team, and in exchange, I changed the name of my project to Buzzbird. Perhaps Google could make a similar arrangement with fmccabe? Is there some compensation or contribution that Google could make to Go! in exchange for him changing the name of his language? |
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Nov 11, 2009
yah.. "Issue 9" is really a great name.. :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
i9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue, object 9. Then, we can shorten it to io9 and start a whole new problem. (I was gonna lmgtfy for Google, but now their language is all the results, so that wouldn't be helpful.) |
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Nov 11, 2009
I propose "Gol", it is soccer goal in spanish |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm with Mr. McCabe, he was there first and there's a hefty paper trail to prove it. It really would make sense in every way for Google to suck it up and use "Golang." They won't even have to change their domain, unlike all the foreign trademark disputes when they launched Gmail. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I support the OP. Also, it will be hell to use search engines to find tutorials for Go, as "go" is a far too common word. Golang would allow far more efficient searches. |
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Nov 11, 2009
If they are serious: Golang has my vote … if they have humor: Issue 9. But what a waste, all those t-shirts. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@yless42 you need to go farther back (like 1964 back) than EMCAScript to trace the history of Closures in programming. Its actually a functional programming concept that JS adopted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closure_%28computer_science%29 |
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Nov 11, 2009
@122: Excellent point! You'd think if anyone understood the value of a unique name for people to type into a search engine, it'd be Google. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm a little surprised that Google did not do the proper research on this. I think it would best for Google to change the name of their project. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@122: you are right. If there is one thing that this situation proves then it must be that "go" is not a very practical name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 or Golang... Issue 9 is awesome, the language site is already golang.org... I think I'd have to go for Golang, though, because it'd be less work to change over. I'm lazy, sue me. :p |
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Nov 11, 2009
Ideas: Gogle The language formally known as go (TLFKAG) Go F*** Yourself! Doh! Go-on.org Oog Og Magog Wend Yours for free. Numeromancer |
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Nov 11, 2009
I don't know if I can handle Google Go, it might be too advanced. I'm still working in Logo. bad da bum |
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Nov 11, 2009
call it go++ |
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Nov 11, 2009
YAGO Yet another go |
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Nov 11, 2009
Vote for I9 :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about calling it G. Otherwise i have no objections against informally calling it Go and formally calling it Golang, they already have the domain for it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
There once was a language named "Go" By Google it's made to help the Pro But there's a claim the name it sounds quite the same as another fellow's lingo This other lingo named "Go!" "It was earlier" it's inventor says so. "Why didn't you look on a webpage or in my book, it's even google search result two!" "So Google, rename your thing! Or in front of a judge you i bring! Lots of users agree it was disgraceful by thee just be sorry and give me a ring!" So the question arise allthough google might despise "what new name shall we be giving to the lingo that's not yet living and has not yet seen this world with it's own eyes?" One fella proposed the name "Goo" Which is similar to pythons clone "Boo" But also this name is taken and not yet forsaken and honestly sounds close to "Poo". Another said "Lango" is cool, He would take such thing as a tool. But a lingo named "Lango" Only rhymes "Jango" or "Tango" This is real, not Star Wars, you fool! Lots of other names were called some were boring, some others were bold The question still remain Will google act or refrain from renaming it's lingo as told? The remainder of my little piece Is the ironic issue of this Why did you, google miss to google "go" before release You would have known it's not your name, but his'! (sorry, got a hangover) |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about "goAwayFmccabeAnLeaveUsAlone"? Otherwise I9 or GoLang would be good. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Take a cue from OOo and go with GOOGo/Google Object? |
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Nov 11, 2009
How come I can't upvote comment#27? |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue9. It would be ethical and funny in the near term, and would help connect the dots to the plan 9 people who created it on the long run. Replace the "go" keyword for issuing a new lightweight thread with "issue" for extra karma. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google needs to sue this guy "fmccabe", shut him down and get his book revoked, he's disrupting their services. Maybe they can find something in his gmail inbox or search history to help them. I'm sure with their money they can find a technicality. |
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Nov 11, 2009
A similar thing happened with gmail which resulted in google not being able to use the 'gmail' trademark and domainname in Germany. I too think google should be the one changing the name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like "Issue 9" distinctive and mysterious. Two "go"s considered harmful. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change |
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Nov 11, 2009
another one for Issue 9 ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about BING (Bing Is Not Go!) - but wait, that name could have other problems coming ;-) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Agreed. Google should change the name of their language, as they "are not evil". |
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Nov 11, 2009
I nineteenth "Issue 9". It seems like a good choice, because it appears to be unique enough that it won't be fighting over search results placing with anything else. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for OP, Google should change the name. It is also a great opportunity for Google to: a) Point out that they practice what they preach via 'Do No Evil' b) Get publicity for their language by holding a language naming contest =Bill.Barnhill |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 +1 |
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Nov 11, 2009
This sums it up... "If this language catches on, it'll be a nightmare to search for problems and solutions." <nikola.tepper> abso-fu$%ing-lutely. Or we'll have to qualify every search with "go programming language hello world". Stupid. Change it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change the "go" name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Go++" or "Issue 9" |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google Goo |
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Nov 11, 2009
Yet another vote for Issue9, no need to shorten it to I9, everyone would refer to it by an abbreviation anyway. Having a humorous or otherwise wacky back story certainly cannot hurt a fledgling language, just look at Python. (I have a funeral to go to today, Issue9 has put me in good spirits, I hope nobody notices.) |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should name the language "Evil--" (do no evil...). |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like "issue 9" as codename and compiler cmd. It's very fast to write because in the QWERTY keyboard 'i' is under '9', so: % i9 helloWorld.i9 BTW: the extension is rare. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should now "Let Go". |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should call it og! |
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Nov 11, 2009
http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9#c2 : > If you google (sic) francis mccabe go you will find some references. > I published the book on lulu.com http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9#c3 : > I think Mr McCabe's language is called "Go!". Here's the Lulu link: > http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/lets-go/641689 >> Lets Go! >> by Francis McCabe http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9#c9 : > ah... Google should change the name... So let me get this straight: Google should change the name of their programming language because of the grandiose objections of a self-published "writer" whose unfortunate condition of borderline functional illiteracy prevents him from appreciating the difference between terms that merely sound and terms that actually *are* identical. Yeah, let's do that. LET'S. Second thought, no, let's not. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Mr. McCabe is right, Google should change the language name. While changing the name, please change the logo as well ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Change the name Google. Better do it fast. You're lucky this guy isn't an ass. If this was say Microsoft and you wanted to launch "Google ASP!" you would have 100 angry lawyers demanding soooooooo much money. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I9 or Issue9 or o9 (sloppy-written "Go" rotated by π) |
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Nov 11, 2009
"golang" But that's what they were going to call it anyway, isn't it? |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about G++ or Google C |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Issue9" is a great name. Or "Google I9". |
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Nov 11, 2009
This argument is kind of nuts. You know, there are at least four programming languages named D? Natural language is not a namespace -- naming conflicts are to be expected and welcomed, since they serve a very important purpose. I say, keep the naming conflict. Whichever language is used more will be used, and the other will be forgotten; meanwhile, the confusion will allow cross-pollenation -- everyone searching for one will see the other. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Some of these comments are plain silly. Heres another to join in; If Go isnt the same as Go!; Then Google isnt the same as Google!. |
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Nov 11, 2009
It is OK, it is going to Go Beta for a while anyway.. |
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Nov 11, 2009
It's probably easier for Google to just pay a massive amount of money for the Name than change all of their terminology to match a new one. Don't you guys think? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I know the original Go! language should get to keep it's name out of fairness but what about renaming it to McLang "100 served!"? eh? eh? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I somehow are not convinced that google didn't even bother to google the name -- I wonder how'd they react if someone came up with a language named 6g or even golang for that matter. |
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Nov 11, 2009
go2 or Issue 9/I9 top the list for me. each is easier to search for, and has a playfulness about it. seriously, why would anyone want to call their programming language such a simple word? its hellish enough to search for C, C++, D, ruby, and even java. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google Go -> Gogo |
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Nov 11, 2009
GoLive ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
1. The board game "Go" should also be forced to change their name. I suggest "Boring Beads" 2. Dude, do you know what a trademark is? If you apply for one, you have some legal grounds. Otherwise you are SOL. Things like books, movies, and programming languages usually don't get these trademarks because we would quickly run out of words to call things. Anyhow, post 169 says it best...read it and weep... |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like go2 but also think godo ( pronounced as in "go and do something" )would be good. |
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Nov 11, 2009
What about "Steve"? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Sigh... how about we start naming languages in some manner that makes this sort of problem academic from the get go (pardon the pun)? While I appreciate the use of humor and catchy phrases as much as the next person, perhaps it's time to take a key from other areas of standardization and get a governing body that takes care of a namespace and assigns formal names to the languages from there. Sort of like everyone knows Firewire but also IEEE 1394. So each of these "Go" languages would have a ILS (International Language Standard) ID, and then the "branding" would be separate. I'd be happy to form such a committee if Google et al would be willing to use it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about Go-Away ? ;-) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google says their moto is "Don't be evil". It would seem evil to me to step on some little guy that is trying to get his language out there. Hey guys and girls at Google, you could have, um, Googled for the name "Go" to see if it was already used. Rename the new Google language to something other than "Go". PS Mr. McCabe, IANAL but I believe you have what is know as "prior art". If Google won't do the right thing then take them to court. Put up a donation page to cover the costs. I am sure you will do fine. |
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Nov 11, 2009
McCabe, there is a simple way to handle this. Just keep the name and let google resolve the issue in your behalf. You will get free hits and free advertisement. In fact, if you plan to promote this language or do anything else with it, now would be an excellent opportunity to expand on it in an aggressive way. I do not see this as a problem that you will have to worry about or try to solve. Keep in mind that if you really want to distinguish your language from others including Google's, they will want this even more since this is a business for them and they will probably be reasonable about it if you are. |
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Nov 11, 2009
My first thought - how would I google for "google go system calls"? The name should not only be searchable but findable - Dear Google. Mister McCabe could be happy to get free advertising - and he should post to language blogs (programming languages that is) that there could be some difference between Go! and go. Where do you want to go today? (Did I step on MS feet by replacing go by go?) Or did google hijack the phrase? Who knows. None the less, with all the 1-2-3 char names for prog. languages goog, gogo, 9o, 9oo9 or 9o9o could be a better search token. I like googlego - because "go" is going to be the brick (and mortar) language. But other infringements might lurk there. |
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Nov 11, 2009
The irony of people planning suing tactics to sue google on a google hosted page |
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Nov 11, 2009
Change it google. You suck if you don't. And don't get all academic snobbery on the guy about this either. Just change it. You have a multi million dollar marketing budget, they can come up with SOMETHING. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I would love to see the google engine page have 'GOOGLE - Get Over Our Great Language Epithet' |
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Nov 11, 2009
You should rename it to "yet another language nobody cares about or needs because there are already several that do the job and have useful libraries". |
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Nov 11, 2009
+ 1 on I9 or "Issue 9" |
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Nov 11, 2009
@189 people like you make IT stagnate |
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Nov 11, 2009
"G."? Pronounced "G Spot". |
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Nov 11, 2009
Agreed: change it please! It's a bad name anyway... |
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Nov 11, 2009
G0# :D |
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Nov 11, 2009
find a 10 digit prime number, google it, and if there is no programming language with that name use that number as name for the project. Except for that nothing should change in this project as no one cares about the *name* of yet another language. This is a fine product (or will be in short time) and I never want to google for 'go' to find help when I programming on this language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Gopl. Google's own programming language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Issue 9 from Bell^WGoogle labs" |
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Nov 11, 2009
2 820 000 000 irrelevant hits for "go". Choosing a more unique name would only yield advantages. I hate libraries/languages that make it hard to google. E.g. "C" or "D"... I vote for "if" :D |
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Nov 11, 2009
Open Google Language or OpenGL |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should call it Narwhal. Just saying. |
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Nov 11, 2009
someone rename their 'go' to 'come.' |
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Nov 11, 2009
i vote for "issue 9" |
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Nov 11, 2009
on second thought "Google Programming Language" aka GPL would be nice too |
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Nov 11, 2009
Just for reference, here is the Goo language site: http://people.csail.mit.edu/jrb/goo/ it is mentioned on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goo_%28programming_language%29 |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Issue 9" sounds good. this reminds me of "Plan 9". |
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Nov 11, 2009
RODGORT - It 'goes' in the day |
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Nov 11, 2009
Or maybe they could just call it MY But maybe it is already used for *MY* programming language, who knows ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Whether it will become, it should NOT be as simple as go, goo, bo or something in that sense, as it MUST BE SEARCHABLE, as mentioned before it should be explicit enough that a theoretical error number plus name of the programming language should give specific results. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue 9/I9 . "Go!" wouldn't work, because the only way I can think of audibly pronouncing the "!" is "bang" and "Go bang" just sounds silly. Or how about Gö? We can even have a simpe domain name - gö.org is not yet taken :) . +1 against the notion of using short English words as programming language name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 is a brilliant name for this language, if nothing more than for the Plan 9 reference. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Googlish, coz i hear adding ish to a name makes it a language.
(>'.')>
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Nov 11, 2009
I don't care what Google or anyone else calls it, I'm going to call it Issue #9 or I9 for short, from here on out. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like "Issue 9", and "Goggles" |
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Nov 11, 2009
upvote for "Issue 9" or "ogle" |
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Nov 11, 2009
@ithkuil I'm going to call it 'The Go Programming Language' from now on. |
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Nov 11, 2009
To those who say "it's like C and C#" or "it's like C and C++" etc... No, it's not the same case. First, C# and C++ are called this way because they inherited their sintax from C and wanted to express that kind of legacy; Second, they are actually pronounced DIFFERENTLY: it's "See" (C), "See-plus-plus" (C++) and "See-Sharp" (C#). Now, how do you pronounce Go and Go! ? I read them both the same way: "Go". I can't read a "!" to make a difference. |
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Nov 11, 2009
shout it when you say it. thatd be god damn awesome :3 |
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Nov 11, 2009
I have been a fan of plan9 and limbo for years. I think it was a simple oversight on Google's part, and actually like the idea of just calling it "Issue 9", "i9" as well. |
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Nov 11, 2009
There's a Go! program on 99-bottles-of-beer.net; it's been there since 2005. http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-go!-289.html That site is an excellent place to check for existing language names. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue #9 reminds me of D. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 reminds me of Plan 9, a hobby OS I'm fond of (this is good) It also sounds more interesting/mysterious than "Go". |
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Nov 11, 2009
how about: Google No! (soup for you) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change the name to "Goto". |
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Nov 11, 2009
ha. you actually think Google, the information technology juggernaut, will care that you have a similarly named language? don't get me wrong, i wish they had the decency to listen to people(you), but realistically, they won't. don't waste your time. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Change it to "Goo". |
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Nov 11, 2009
votes["Issue 9"]++; |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Do you realize by the time that I'm writing this message the number of persons being aware of McCabe's programing language existence might have doubled (or even more) due to all of this ongoing discussion? This is to be considered. I recognize that you Mr. McCabe were there first with your programing language's name, but by now it might just be a matter of considering if the cons of this situation arising are outweighing the pros, because this situation sure has good consequences such as increasing your language's attention - would I ever had to get to know your language some day without this happening? Probably not. If possible, you should try to get the best out of this situation which you had no control on to start with and try to make it work to your advantage, but if unsatisfied then you should seek legal advice. I still disagree with Google's choice to name its language "Go". |
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Nov 11, 2009
"going" - Go is not Go! |
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Nov 11, 2009
This thread is "go"ing to get long. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm glad that this guy is Redditor! Google, please rename it! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I think Google should admit it's mistake and rename their language for several reasons. 1. to avoid confusion with a pre-existing language 2. to respect the work of another individual (I refer to those working on the google language as individuals and the corporation itself as an "individual") 3. to settle issue 9 so that real work with their new language can progress If they don't, it only proves that the people working on the Google language are capable of acting stupidly even when corrected and their work cannot be trusted. Google changing their language' name is a win-win situation, no matter what Google has invested in what they thought was their idea already. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Naming the language Issue 9 is a very 2009 way of handling this. However, DHS might claim prior art. http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/i-9.pdf |
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Nov 11, 2009
Here is my contribution to Googles new programming language. GINE (GOOGLE IS NOT EVIL) G Sharp |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should rename it--one of the earlier suggestions of something like GOOP is a good one. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I agree, Google should change the language's name - "Go" or "Go!" is clearly already taken. How would you feel if someone created a search engine called "Google!" and claimed it to be new ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for issue 9. Just do it, google. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I will only take the time to learn this language if it is permanently renamed "Issue 9". Who's with me? When my grandkid comes to me and says "today in computer science class we learned Issue 9" I want to be able to tell him that I was on the "Issue 9" thread from which it recieved its name. This is our legacy! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I suggest: "INTERLAND" Why "INTERLAND" ? Because Internet it a new country, not just an international network, a new Geo, a new land with a new way (workframe) of thinking (hacking), with new people: YOU We are an Internet developers (INTERLAND developpers) not africain or americain or australian or asian or europian developpers , we dev for the Internet, not for a country or a flag .... we dev for people all over the world, we are changing. We are INTERLAND Devs , and we need GO! as an INTERLAND Language, a Smarter Languange for a Smarter planet. let's realy change the world or let's create another world together, more Funny :) and less Stupid . let's wake up the real Humain, let's go! out of beta version , with intelligence, not wars and insecurity, destructions, let's fix those bugs (stupidities) together, we have to stop, debug and fix. no more flags, One Land, INTERLAND. Now i'll click on [save changes] button and send it :) hope that will wake us. |
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Nov 11, 2009
The Go! Source: http://homepage.mac.com/frankmccabe/FileSharing1.html |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 with *.i9 as extensions, or go2.... both work for a name change. |
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Nov 11, 2009
99th vote for "Issue 9". In fact, regardless on what Google does, I'm going to refer to this language as "Issue 9" from now on: http://twitter.com/RyanMcE/status/5625076414 Google should follow suit. |
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Nov 11, 2009
What bout GGG? Going Going Gone |
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Nov 11, 2009
Please do NOT choose an existing dictionary word. It makes searching laborious. |
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Nov 11, 2009
GOatse programing language: so open, it hurts. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Add another vote for Issue9. |
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Nov 11, 2009
what about "G'thang"? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Add my vote for Issue 9 or Issue9. I love Google, don't be evil! |
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Nov 11, 2009
GOzalo Gooooooozalo |
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Nov 11, 2009
A language exists really when a compiler exists for this language. Is there a compiler for Go! ? (too much weird characters) In any case, since go is the name of an ancient game... anyone can play with it... |
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Nov 11, 2009
Go and Go Bang are as different as C and C Sharp. |
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Nov 11, 2009
If only there were some tool to search the internet for previously named programming languages... |
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Nov 11, 2009
YAVF issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 55 has been merged into this issue. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@bunshi - You win the internet, and owe me a new keyboard. If mccabe language is Trademarked or copywritten this should be an open and shut case and google should change the name of the language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Total Win: GSpot "Once you've tried Gspot, you'll never want to stop" |
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Nov 11, 2009
They definitely should change the name of the language, that is clear. I have a suggestion... cgo C + go; Computer Generated Observation; Computer Generated Oblivion or Computer Generated Objects, or my favorite Computer Generated orthogonal; From Wikipedia "An instruction set is said to be orthogonal if any instruction can use any register in any addressing mode." It doesn't hurt that cgo is an acronym for Cargo; considering all the discussion with type, pretty much means that it can contain anything for flexibility... As for "Go"; The Chinese have been playing Go for thousands of years (from Wikipedia ~ "Go originated in ancient China more than 2,500 years ago"). Easier to learn than chess; yet strategies that can take a lifetime to master. So the Original guy and Google BOTH should change the names of their languages. Obviously Google's Go is last to the party. In the long run I believe they (Google) will do the right thing! |
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Nov 11, 2009
why not call it gone? |
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Nov 11, 2009
why not call it *MY* ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not simply name it Chrome? |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about "Great Googly-Moogly"? Or even "G'day, mate!"? |
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Nov 11, 2009
By the way did you try the i9 compiler ? Issue 9 is really fast :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
I demand that this issue be marked as "Accepted"! |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should name it Bing! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Also note that calling it "Google Issue 9" can be shortened to GI9, which when rotated by pi it's still the same name! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Reddit support. +1 for Issue 9 (and seeing a blue-chip eat it's hat over a lone guys with a language with a different name (C vs. C++, vs. C# anyone)). |
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Nov 11, 2009
I suggest paying seth mcfarland for Giggity-Goo that way you could totally sell it up to the kids |
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Nov 11, 2009
It's really quite amazing that this thread is 'issue 9'. I9 really does seem to be the way to go. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9++; They just started a petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/gglgoi9/petition.html |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not simply "Goo"? or The "G" programming language (great name for a book, BTW :p). Or even you can name it "G spot" hahaha!. |
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Nov 11, 2009
gmail... gtalk... gwhatever... GLANG!!! ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
how abt yag?.. yet another Go!.. lol... Go! is perfect name for this language... Mr. fmccabe do u hold a copyright for this name??... |
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Nov 11, 2009
It should be renamed to it. As in the pronoun 'it'. 'it' is even harder to search for than 'go' and, film references aside, would help it gain traction among technically illiterate managers. "We should switch to 'it' because we do I.T. work and this language is called 'it'" "But isn't Java..." "Oh that's for coffee bars and stuff, not for serious I.I. work like 'it' - they even named it after what we do!" |
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Nov 11, 2009
Signed the petition to change the name to Issue9. Even if it's legal for Google to keep the name "go," that wouldn't make it ethical. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I, for one, am in favour of Oole. It comes from google without the gs, due to a stupid broken keyboard I once had. Plus, the double os could be used for Object Oriented. |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Go" is a common word that can't be copyrighted. However, I agree that the name should be changed to something like GoLang. They already have the domain name. Also, search results would be much more targeted on a search for "golang" than on a search for "go". |
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Nov 11, 2009
@66 Rich Hickey seems to agree with me on this though. From the horse's mouth on #clojure: rhickey: "Google is sure squatting on some terms with Closure and Go" That makes it not one but two irked language creators in a week and they don't say maybe. I thought it was just Brian Beckman milking Rich for ideas to 'embrace and extend'. Silly me. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Agree with @284. GOOG already owns golang.com+.org, so why not take that name instead? Much more fair. |
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Nov 11, 2009
GO! pick a different name and deal with it |
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Nov 11, 2009
Agreed. Google should pick a different name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google, be fair and change the name please. The guy claims to have worked 10 years on this language. How would you feel when this would have happened to you? +1 for Issue9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
@BusinessHut You know java was origionally called "Oak", but that was used so they changed it to Java cause the developers like coffee. I believe "Oak" is also a very common word. /face |
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Nov 11, 2009
Go! is taken. I just wanted to declare this, like about 200 people before me have, and the existence of this issue declares. Also, up is not down. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue 9. Go is a poor name no matter how you look at it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I hate to go against the grain here, but C/C++/C# are all significantly different languages, and all three have very similar names. If you consider go vs. Go!, there's more difference between both names than there is between C and C# - that's based on string length, as well the fact that 'g' != 'G' |
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Nov 11, 2009
no way! Google's is "Go" and McCabe's is "Go!" If McCabe doesn't like it he should pick a new name... one without a exclamation mark as I think that naming fad is the carrot red corduroy bell bottoms of the open source community. I cringed trying Joomla! the first time just because of its name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'am giving also +1 for Issue 9. |
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Nov 11, 2009
@296 The google! search engine is mine already! See comment #54. :-) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should rename their language ogle. google - go = ogle. :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
It's in our hands give a name to the Google's Programming Language. For now, I use GoLang as term to refer it in my blog. (pd: i made a simple test comparing python web server vs golang web server. http://bit.ly/2pzAFC ) |
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Nov 11, 2009
I am very grateful for the support I have received on this thread. It seems to have hit a nerve. I want to make one particular point, some people have suggested that "I should be grateful" for the extra advertising. My response to that is that I was not actively looking for this advertising. It was not me who picked a clashing name. I fully understand that it is possible that insufficient search was done before hand. However, when I picked the name Go! I did try to find out if anyone else was using it. In fact, I was kind of surprised that no one was!; since it was clearly a great name. For those interested, Go! is a bi-lingual pun. My previous work focused on a language called April. In Japanese, the literal back-translation of April is "4th Month". Go is Japanese for 5. |
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Nov 11, 2009
i think they should change it to GNU google's not unix lol |
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Nov 11, 2009
1) Somebody needs to get a Google Group moving for this growing Issue9 movement 2) I think the biggest reason everyone's taking offense is that Google made an open source language but kind of branded it as "Go"ogle and in their arrogance forgot to look up if anybody else used the "Go" name. This isn't about the name its about Google's attitude |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue 9. Although i don't think Google should change Go's name. Citing again the C/C++/C# thing. But if Google decides to change it, Issue 9 would be great. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue 9. Leave the name to its owner. |
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Nov 11, 2009
fmccabe, no one bought the book, right? Now you're trying to draw attention, but still no one is using Go! nor buying your book. Do you want to know a simple reason? Your language doesn't even have a website. The one-paragraph page that exists is hard to find. You shouldn't be grateful for advertising because it doesn't help you. You should be ashamed that you start such topic. It all could have sense and you could keep honor if your language was alive and have real community. And your <> operator sucks. Objectively. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I feel really bad for Francis McCabe - how could Google make a mistake like this? At the very least they should provide a clear disintermediation page and clarification at the top of their page about the language "Go!" as oppposed "Go" |
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Nov 11, 2009
Did Google forget to use google? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I agree that this should be resolved in one way or another ... either google changes the name of the language, or otherwise compensates the originator in some way to essentially buy the rights for the name (either money or technology). |
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Nov 11, 2009
@306 (temotor) Just read what fmccabe posted. He said he would appreciate if you guys changed it so that he doesn't have to change it. I am not sure whats the right thing to do here and may be google should change the name. BUT, stop being such a jerk and refrain from posting such comments again. |
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Nov 11, 2009
please settle this on judge judy |
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Nov 11, 2009
This reminds me of an old court case where Yahoo! had to change their name to the previously stated from Yahoo (with no exclamation). By contrast, your programming language already has the exclamation point, so as long as Google does not use an exclamation after Go (or go), there should be no reason to change. |
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Nov 11, 2009
what about I9? Mccabe, you have my full support! May the first GO! win |
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Nov 11, 2009
@242: how about INTERCAL# ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I heard FORTRAN was a good name for a programming language. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Yo, Google, I'm really happy for you and your new programming language. Imma let you finish, but fmccabe already own the best programming language name of all time. ALL TIME! |
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Nov 11, 2009
YO REDDIT, WHATUP BITCHES? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change the name to: Issue9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
@316 Haha good one! |
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Nov 11, 2009
issue9-- lang9++ |
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Nov 11, 2009
Just name it C and be done with it... |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not Goliath? ~X~ |
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Nov 11, 2009
+ for issue9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Considering Mr. McCabe's prior claim, the confusing similarity of the name, and the degree to which I am impressed by Google's new language (not very much), I suggest that "Go Fish!" might be an appropriate name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 is an awesome name. I agree that the name should be changed, and Issue 9 is great because it references the fact that Google didn't...well, Google the name. +1 for Issue 9. |
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Nov 11, 2009
or I9.... or i900913 (igOOglE).... or.... hello reddit |
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Nov 11, 2009
rename it to google go shortened as gg like good game in quake |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about "El Goog"... Google backwards! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I too vote for "issue 9" Great idea! |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about BASIC? I'm sure Bill Gates doesn't care anymore. |
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Nov 11, 2009
My vote goes to "Issue #9" |
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Nov 11, 2009
"issue 9" FTW! |
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Nov 11, 2009
issue 9 +1 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not call google's language µGo? Or Yugo? (I'm assuming this is the McCabe of Clark and McCabe) |
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Nov 11, 2009
My vote goes for Golang |
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Nov 11, 2009
I would vote for Issue #9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9++ |
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Nov 11, 2009
Change the name. Call it Goo, and your first tutorial can be "Goo Foo!" |
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Nov 11, 2009
I always thought that Feet has a nice ring to it. I want to code in Feet. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 Simple, easy and original. Oh wait, it will clash with the millions of issue 9s in the world. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I vote for the Weiqi Language or Wei Chi. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I vote for either "Issue 9" or "eo" (I go, in Latin, and Latin never loses its cool). |
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Nov 11, 2009
Or, here's a list of more names: Oogle, Oog, Og, Wowzers, Gog, Grr, Gurgle, Grump, Fumpt (because that's what the guy in the video kept calling "fmt"), McCabe. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I hope this can be settled so both parties are happy. :) As someone suggested, perhaps purchasing the name rights could do? If I were in a position where I had a minority language like this, I'd fully understand if Google hadn't discovered the name usage and be reasonable. :) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Since everybody is doing it, I might just as well join the bandwagon... I vote for "Issue 9" not just because it sounds great, but because "Go" is difficult to search for as evidenced by this language-name clash. While this is Google, and one would think that such a problem could be easily alleviated, I still sometimes get results for C++ when I search for something C-specific. So while the language is still new, please, change it to something more unique! |
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Nov 11, 2009
The name should be easy to google. Golang is an excellent suggestion as someone else pointed out, they're already using the domain. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I honestly think you deserve "Go!" and that "go" is too close. Further, I believe that google can "do better" than use "go" - in the sense that whatever option they choose it will be successful, regardless of name - heck, "goo" sounds good to me... and they could slogan it very easily |
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Nov 11, 2009
I personally pointed out to the marketer who announced Office XP's name that "XP" was already taken as well (it's a medical condition whose sufferers cannot survive the light of day) http://www.xps.org/ They responded by naming Windows "XP" as well :-) Good luck, Mr. McCabe. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I think it should be called GooG for it's palindromic nature and it's abbreviation of the name Google. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change the name of their programming language.. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I too would like to hop on the i9 bandwagon. This would be easy to type, fun to discuss, and would immortalize the open nature of a project that is willing to change its name not to conflict with something much smaller. |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should change the name, maybe to a new name that is SEO friendly. Don't do evil Google... Call your language Gulag, GThang, G++, Goog, Giggles, what ever but don't hijack some lonely programmer's trademark. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like this "Issue 9" idea. It gives this language a charming name with lore behind it. Turn this into a positive! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Oh, and change the curly braces to do/end as an alternative. It's so hard to type them on international keyboards. |
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Nov 11, 2009
!!I Support McCabe!! |
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Nov 11, 2009
I think CROP would be a nice language name |
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Nov 11, 2009
I'm sure it was an accident ... Still, either settle for money or change it, that's the only non-evil way to go about it. Unleash a flock of law-raptors on this guy and the internets will never forgive you. |
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Nov 11, 2009
What's the big freaking deal. Mr. McCabe has today gained more publicity for his niche-size programming language than he's ever had before. Good enough. If he really wants to promote his language, he should put up more than a single webpage on it. I mean seriously, I can't even find a single code sample from 'Go!'. Given this, I cannot really consider 'Go!' to be a serious programming language -- that is, a language than anybody in their right mind would use for a real (professional) project. Even if the language itself is high quality, there's next to nothing in the way of docs, tutorials, reference programs written in it, etc. Buck up, Mr. McCabe. |
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Nov 11, 2009
> Comment 189 by brndnmtthws, Today (6 hours ago) > You should rename it to "yet another language nobody cares about or needs > because there are already several that do the job and have useful libraries". That's addressed to Google or to Mr. McCabe? I think it would be more suited to the former. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Indeed, the names are too similar to coexist in that way. I think McCabe is right and Google should consider changing the name. After all Golang (Google language) seems OK to me. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change the language name. I think Issue 9 is a good name. Also, as mentioned, going (Go is not Go!) and Go2 are great too. |
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Nov 11, 2009
First: Is Google infringing on some sort of IP? Copyright doesn't apply in cases where the IP was reached independently. So if Google didn't know about Go! (I assume they didn't) then the original use isn't protected under copyright law. I assume that Go! it isn't a registered trademark of Mr. McCabe, so really Google has no legal obligation to change the name of the language. Second: Is Google morally obligated to change the name of their new language? Not really. There are things with similar names all over the place, its not a problem. Google isn't trying to rip anyone off here. Second: Should Google change the name of the language in my opinion? Yes! Go is a crappy name. I like Issue 9, i9, or some other non-dictionary word. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I love "Issue 9" but not i9, it recalls me to iMac, iPhone, iPoop and so... GLang also is good. Of course totally agree Google MUST change the name. Don't be evil google. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google Mail Google Search Google Calendar Google Maps ... ... ... Google ProLang (or Google Programming Language) |
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Nov 11, 2009
CROP is the best name ever. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I would name it Giggle. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Goo-Gol or GooPro |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9 would be an amazing name for a programming language. This thread is already legendary. |
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Nov 11, 2009
As for the name "Goat", there will be lots of "Programmers who stare at Goats" |
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Nov 11, 2009
Another vote for Issue 9 -- someone even registered http://issuenine.com/ for you! |
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Nov 11, 2009
@204 I second GPL (Google Programming Language) If they want to just steamroll over someone, let's see them put some muscle into it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
nonono They should name it: golan |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should rename it 'Francis' |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about Googo? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Another vote for 'Issue 9'; come on, Google, make it happen |
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Nov 11, 2009
And yet another vote for "Issue 9". It's funny, it's cool, and it's mildly-meta. What's not to love? |
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Nov 11, 2009
i9 simple and funny if you know the history |
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Nov 11, 2009
Come on, it's one of the most popular words in the English language. This argument is asinine. If Wikipedia can deal with the issue, I think we can all get along. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages#G |
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Nov 11, 2009
Hey, how about 'G-LANG' ? |
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Nov 11, 2009
I reckon it should be called goE. Short for "Commit #4a3f6bbb5f0c6021279ccb3c23558b3c480d995f" :-) http://code.google.com/p/go/source/detail?r=4a3f6bbb5f0c6021279ccb3c23558b3c480d995f Actually, I quite like Ogle, as names go ... |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for Issue 9, shortened to i9. Mostly so,when my kid asks me years from now what "i9" means, I can stagger around drunkenly and retell the tale of how I posted in the original thread that helped name it. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Wow! CROP really wins! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Plus 1 for i9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
They should take a more old school approach and call it GOOGOL. |
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Nov 11, 2009
At this point, OP would be better off changing "Go!" to "i9"; trade a stupid name for a memed name any day. |
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Nov 11, 2009
think a lot more benefit in PR and goodwill in changing the name than not |
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Nov 11, 2009
Now I have an Idea, what if it was changed to "Goo" or "Goog" That way it isn't Go so it isn't that common, AND its different. Problem solved. and also, Hi reddit |
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Nov 11, 2009
Typical Google. (The new Microsoft.) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Another vote for renaming go to Issue 9, i9 as shorthand. It seems catchier anyway. If not, Golang. |
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Nov 11, 2009
"Foogle", "Bargle", "Bazgle" and "Quuxle". |
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Nov 11, 2009
Let's assume for one minute that you worked for a company with a market capitalization of $180 billion dollars, and your team developed a new programming language that was going to be released to the public. Everything needs a name, right? When selecting the name for this programming language, wouldn't one think that due diligence would include: 1) a simple Bing search for existing languages of the same name 2) a search of academic literature for programming languages of the same name So someone screwed up... This happens. It's time for the Google team to find a new name, apologize, and at least give the perception that they do no evil. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I like GOOP as @28 mentioned, #40 @patla073 Erlang is a boring name. Goolang would be just as boring. |
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Nov 11, 2009
G# +1 |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about, "Goolash" "Goo" as in Google "Lash" as in the backlash towards the original name :) And Goulash is a yummy soup or stew :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goulash |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 is inspired. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Should we really care what and how companies (i.e. google) name their products/services? Absolutely! Here we're talking about 'Go!', 'Go', 'Lets Go' etc. which is the original. Imagine if google chose any other names such as: "Paris" or "Red Baron", or any other breach of original copyright. The question that is begging - "How hard is it for them to come up with an alternative?" (so you're smarter than a 5th grader show could do it for them) Do they know about "Go!" originally - you bet! Look at the amount of patents they file every week, someone/a dept. would make sure to be aware of existing patents in their space. 2 cents. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Given their compliance with different parts of the Plan 9 suite, I add my vote for Issue 9. Furthermore, Go is also a well-known game, which could potentially just aggravate the confusion, if the current name remains. |
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Nov 11, 2009
You could change to "galang" and have a song to go with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BtkzaRgvUc |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 for http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9 Don't forget to vote for it at http://www.petitiononline.com/gglgoi9/ |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9 :-) |
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Nov 11, 2009
foogle |
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Nov 11, 2009
So InformationWeek caught on to this thread: http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/web_services/showArticle.jhtml? articleID=221601351 And don't forget to @google with #issue9 on Twitter I heard somebody's making Issue9 t-shirts? Is this true? |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not just "9o" it looks like "go" but it's not ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Why not just G? G, G++, G#(?) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue 9 +1 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Hi, How about Google GLOW (Google Language of Work) RE: twitter @meetutkarsh u needed name suggestions. instead of Google Go try Google GLOW google language of work tweet me if you like it.GLOW is catchy |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google go is a real programming language and the name shouldn't change. Your 'go!' language doesn't have any traction nor any community. Heck it doesn't even have a home page. Just because one of your research projects was called 'go!' doesn't mean that you can claim any kind of trademark on that name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9 (maybe I9)... would be a fantastic name. However I´m pretty sure that "Issue9" will be used by anyone anyway... after this heavy issue. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I have to say, Go was a pretty bad name to begin with. It's totally an eye roller. Google should just "go" with something else. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Some smartass already registered issue9.org. I hope it redirect issue9.org domain to golang.org like the person who registered issuenine.com |
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Nov 11, 2009
Name it "Visual Basic". nobody uses it |
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Nov 11, 2009
I vote for gingo! ("go is not go!")
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Nov 11, 2009
Searching for "ruby" info can be bad enough. I'll always search for i9 or golang regardless of what google does. |
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Nov 11, 2009
EPIC ISSUE! I really really REALLY think they should rename the language as CROP! It's awesome! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Of course that searching for "Go!" doesn't return references for "Go!" of fmccabe, because Google has ultra high page rank and has eaten almost all references for Go!. I think you should change the name, it is not fairplay... |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google's motto of "Don't be evil." should be enough for them to make the right choice. Of course, now that they are giant mega-corp-that-must-eat-children-to-survive nothing will come of this. Why did I even type this. Futile. |
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Nov 11, 2009
There is no need to change any names. Google will simply pay some money to this guy and he will simply go away. It's nothing personal, it's just business. Although I do agree that Go is a weak name for a language... I think we can safely say that part of the experiment has been a failure so far... |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9++ |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9++; |
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Nov 11, 2009
Just any variant of 'G' would be fine. How about 'Gode'? Google Code. 'Glang' is also fine.. 'Gang'? |
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Nov 11, 2009
CROP sounds great. I would go for that to. < CROP > |
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Nov 11, 2009
of course this being open source, somebody could keep a running fork called issue9 if Google doesn't choose this awesome name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/web_services/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=221601351 |
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Nov 11, 2009
I am shocked that Google, Google of all people, decided to call their language the unsearchable "Go". WTF? I mean, really, WTF? That's in the TOP 50 MOST COMMON WORDS IN ENGLISH!!! [1]. At least the guy who started this thread had the sense to call his language the search friendly "Go!" They are totally on crack with this one. I just can't believe they named a new language "Go". I thought java, ruby, python, groovy, and C were difficult to create unique searches for, but "Go" brings this insanity to a whole new level. And not only is it a common word, it's already heavily overloaded. Go the common verb? GO as in Gene Ontology? The popular Asian board game? Why not call it "A" or "the" or "and" and make us spend ALL of our time trying to get decent search hits? What a way to show contempt for everyone who will ever use your language. Please change it now, while you can. It might be slightly embarrassing to change it now, but people are going to be jeering you about this unsearchable name for all time if you don't. (*) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_common_words_in_English (*) And don't listen to your buddies at Google who probably say Goggle's semantic context dependent search is, or is going to be, so good that it will be able to know what you mean. |
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Nov 11, 2009
How about renaming as "Googl" GO Object Oriented Google's Language |
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Nov 11, 2009
this->Issue 9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
google should call it Go-- :D |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google should change its name. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Since the name GO is alreayd Gone why not call the google language Gone It would be kinda cool. "Get Gone!" Sounds like something Timothy Leary would say which would instantly make it popular. I'll sell the name rights for $5000 right now and a permanent credit in the manual. Got might be good to or Get Get Gone, Get it? I C'd Now I'm Gone. |
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Nov 11, 2009
alright here are some mor eideas How about Got? a good slogan would be I Got it? Or pull a Micorsoft and choose a name so ubiquitous that it's astounding GOOD. Slogans : "Whatever it is, it's Good!" "That a Good program!" "No matter what you do it's Good!" "Everyone knows it's Good!" "Who's Bad? Good!" I'll sell any of these names for $5000 and a permanent mention in the manual. Use one of my slogans for advertising for $5000 and .05 % of the billings where it is used although soemoene esle handles all the placements and bookings for the res tof the standard fee. (That's a deal McCain won't do.) |
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Nov 11, 2009
The easiest solution would be to change the official name to "golang". The domain doesn't have to change and "golang" will be a hell of a lot better for doing searches than just "go". |
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Nov 11, 2009
I think Goo is an acceptable name. I side with the original Go! developer and not Google on this one. |
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Nov 11, 2009
More ad slogans for sale: "Use Good for the best programming experience." "Because Good is better than bad." "If it isn't Good it's bad." "It's so great it's Good!" "Be Good programmers!" "Good is better." |
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Nov 11, 2009
More ad slogans for sale for Gone as a name: "Gone Programming" "The best programs/programmers are Gone." "Be Good or be Gone" |
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Nov 11, 2009
throkmortonscribblemonger. |
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Nov 11, 2009
At risk of being lost in the noise.... Google should change the name as a goodwill gesture, yes. Also because as a language name, "Go" sucks. I like "Issue 9" just because, but "Golang" has merit (and also registered domains). However, there is no legal action that can be taken on this, as a title or name *cannot* be copyrighted. |
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Nov 11, 2009
> Erlang - "Ericsson Language" No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agner_Krarup_Erlang |
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Nov 11, 2009
Seems like google is not using their search engine...Otherwise they would have found it earlier ;) |
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Nov 11, 2009
Change the name. Win fans of fairness. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9++ ahahahha |
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Nov 11, 2009
OK I gotta pool going on when fmccabe gets a job offer from Google to resolve this little issue. |
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Nov 11, 2009
450 comments and 28 hours later and this (silly) issue is still in 'New' state, is this how google intends to run their open source project ? Just make a decision and be done with it already ! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9++ That's cool! |
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Nov 11, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go!_%28programming_language%29 |
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Nov 11, 2009
here's a great ad slogan for "Good" "Do Good" |
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Nov 11, 2009
just call it GPL (Google Programming Language)... oh wait... crap lol |
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Nov 11, 2009
Google: the fair and right thing to do here is to change the name of your programming language. Someone beat you to it, fair and square. |
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Nov 11, 2009
379009 or issue9 |
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Nov 11, 2009
Considering that everything becomes so much cooler with an umlaut, I hereby propose that Google rename its programming language to: Gö! Just göögle it if you don't believe me! |
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Nov 11, 2009
Cake is delicious, they should call the language that. |
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Nov 11, 2009
Issue9 is definately the way to go here guys, but I doubt google will play nice with it as this other language is virtually unheard of. |
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Nov 11, 2009
I agree Issue9 is definitely a great name, if google finally names it as Issue9, I promise to learn and use it! helloWorld.i9 FTW! |
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Nov 11, 2009
The title or name doesn't have to be copyrighted, since it's a TRADEMARK issue. /rolls eyes |
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Nov 11, 2009
for me is go a tablegame .. the name rly isnt that clever ... but i like the logo lol |
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Nov 11, 2009
g++ is better name for google codes |
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Nov 11, 2009
I vote for Issue9 as the new name of this languaje. |
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Nov 11, 2009
+1 - for google to change their name... |
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Nov 11, 2009
It's not just me. The help I received from so many company's , mostly Google. I just wanted to make my system secure and clean and so many others (people/companies) jointing in and we all worked as team to be where we are now. Believe it or not, I am really not a high tech guy. I worked in the Telecom. industry for 14 years but not in this type of environment. I just picked up quickly with the help of so many. SO, I thank everyone for where we are today in trying to produce an internet is safe, secure, and accurate as knowledge is so critical in today's world. Bad info leads to so much confusion and misunderstanding and that is one of the reason's we are in a world of so many problems. General misunderstanding. Knowledge/communications has to be real and accurate. |
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Nov 11, 2009
My vote: http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/1379/88353454.png |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 sounds like a perfect name, and should leave everyone happy. I see no reason not to change it. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for Issue9 as well. Google *must* change the name of the language. Which, by the way, looks great. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 it is. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Calling a language "issue" is stupid call it resolution9 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google *must* change the name of the language. |
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Nov 12, 2009
My vote for Issue9 (without space in order to google it better) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I would vote for oglego like shifting the chars. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Think of this... If Googles name was taken and used in any other context. Do you think they would care? ... Offcourse they would care and they would drag you to court and have you pay them a multi billion dollar compensation. It does not mather if the name only looks like Google even. I remember there have been cases on this before, in Norway aswell. We cant let Google think they can own wathever they like. They may call it business. They may claim that "hey, GO as a name was not registered trademark", but this is all aboute gentlemans behaviour. There is only one option and this is that Google changes it names. If not, they will in my eyes legitime for others to use Google or google look alike names wherever, and whenever you like. |
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Nov 12, 2009
0% of 1 user recommends this project |
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Nov 12, 2009
Well i think "gle" es a good name, let's see: src.gle go.gle |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for Issue #9 You could also try: G# or Gcode. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I like Google Issue #9,GI9,just like CIA,it's cool. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Some say that Google should have googleg for "go programming language". I think they did google it, but decided to take it anyway |
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Nov 12, 2009
My vote for Issue9, too. But maybe G-9 inspired by K-9 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-9_%28Doctor_Who%29 mascot - robotic dog. it will be friend with Android mascot. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Or perhaps: gse = Go Standard Edition gee = Go Entreprise Edition gce = Go Concurrent Edition or even better dGPL = The Go Programming Language |
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Nov 12, 2009
G++ or Issue 9 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 sounds even better than go Plus it relates it to some cousin project I know of... What would Glenda do? |
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Nov 12, 2009
go+iota |
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Nov 12, 2009
name it "noname" |
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Nov 12, 2009
well ... i seriously think that no need to change the name becoz it is going to benefit the world, this is for us only. we will be using this. "what is in the name?" |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google Programing Language GPL .. ohh.. wait!!!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" or "Gonine" |
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Nov 12, 2009
@494: If you're gonna quote Shakespeare, at least get it right. It's not for "us", it's a matter of principal. Google shouldn't be allowed to stomp all over a little guy just because they're bigger than them. Although I fear fmccabe's downfall will be the moment he appended the "!" to "Go". I doubt anything will come of this because technically "Go" and "Go!" are different... |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for "Issue 9". So the name is not only some marketing decision but has a kind of history. The name "Go" has same problems as say "Forth" in finding something useful with Google... |
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Nov 12, 2009
#9 I9 Issue 9 Those are all cool, and the coincidence is amazingly correct. Google, this is a way to #9. |
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Nov 12, 2009
how about "Gonin" (誤認, misidentify) or "Gosan" (誤算, miscalculation) ? Gonin: go (issue) nine - e Gosan: go (五, five) + san (三, three) = 8 hmm... |
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Nov 12, 2009
The name should be changed. It's unfair, and it's confusing (try googling for Go). Suggestions: og (please, not Oz, Oz is already taken) iota (as its the most visible feature) c! (equally confusing, but (!) grows faster than (++), read as "See-bang") weiqi (if you are so inclined to Go) π or p (as in Pike, it's so perfect) G (it's not used yet, according to Wikipedia, and it looks like C) Goo programming language is taken, unfortunately. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I miscalculated |
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Nov 12, 2009
@497: I think little guy would be happy, because people will be using the language called "Go" similar to the name of his language "Go!”. In this way his language could get the recognition in the world of programming languages. Cheers little guy!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Go! is dead, long live to Issue9. |
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Nov 12, 2009
What about these names? 2Go Gou UGO Letgo Wego |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change the name. Not only because of the allready existing language: Googling stuff for the Go language would be a nightmare. I vote for Issue 9, remembers me of the movie District 9 :) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Wait wait. Go is a combination of C and Python, right? Well, sort of. Why not call it CPython? I'm sure no one has done that before. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for Issue 9 too =) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I also vote for "I9" that goes for "Issue9" |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9++ :^) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I really think that google should change the name, its not fair!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9++ |
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Nov 12, 2009
One more for "Issue 9" |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 would be a great name!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for Issue 9 too =) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I bet someone will create a new programming language called issue9 before the status of this issue 9 changes !(still "New" after >500 comments and ~250 stars !) Then, if this happens, can please someone open an issue on the future issue9 issue tracker, saying that this name was already reserved for the name change of Google Go Programming Language ? If possible, try to open this issue as the 9th... |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google shouldn't change the name, and won't, nor will they give the OP anything for the "right" to use "his" name. There is nothing evil about any of this. Someone once used an English word to refer to an obscure project no one has ever heard of and is hard to find references to, on which there is no trademark, that is of no commercial value, and has no audience or community to get confused by the name clash anyway? But hey, all the stupid people on this thread can blather on about prior art and copyright and fairness until the cows come home. I'm sure they'll even express their anger at Google's satanic ways by boycotting their services! Or, not. Issue 9 would be a cool name for what its worth. No doubt someone will invent such a language, if only in the form of a Go parody. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Oh crap, that's a lot of comments. And I'm 8 minutes too late to get comment #512! :( Seriously - forget about it. Google had probably never heard about your lanugage before, or they just didn't care because they found soo meny other names that already were taken so that they just picked one they liked and hoped that there wouldn't be any chaos. And I agree with everybody that has commented about the namespace bing filled up too quickly if everybody just could pick a name and claim copyright of it (that's not how the law works anyway), so that newcomers in 20 years from now would have to pick something like GoGoGNow5003 to not violate a vunch of laws (or they would just violate the "Go" copyright three times and the "Now" copyright once all at the same time instead.) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Oh ****, a bunch of new comments already? Then I'm 29 minutes too late! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Hey guys this case is simple, fmccabe can use the name “Go!” and Google can
use “Go” as both are different, I don’t know why this guy is so much worried about
the name. Google is not stealing his work anyway.
Issue 9 is not a good name at all for the guys who worked hard to make such
a powerful and high performing language. Will this be a justice to them? It is not
matter of a big company or a small guy, this world run on mutual cooperation and
understanding and both parties should understand this.
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Nov 12, 2009
If they do not change the name it means that I have a right that I can write a new language called "Google!". |
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Nov 12, 2009
@520 Nothing is wrong with the name "Issue 9". It says ironically something about the naming of programming languages. That's just the kind of humor I would expect from some guys that develop a new programming language. |
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Nov 12, 2009
What about go-nuts (same as the mailing list)? Even though Issue 9 indeed has it's cool. |
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Nov 12, 2009
. . Just to notice you all that "i9" is trademark from Coca-Cola. It's an hidrotonic in Brazil. . . Issue 9 FTW. "Diego Nunes" is good also, but my mother got it first, sorry. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@521: There are differences in a language and a company. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@522: Every body should understand that there is no force (as far as this discussion looks about) on fmccabe to change the name of his programming language, it is just the matter of agreement. After putting your all efforts into the work of developing a programming language, suddenly somebody come and say “hey, you need to change the name of that programming language!”. I know it must be hurting. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Consider "Yahoo" too? It is like "Yahoo!" but not. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@526: Well, you say "it must be hurting". I'm unsure. What can be better than let users choose the name of this language? I'm personally very surprised by this language and I already started to use this for my next (small) project = a PDF reader. I've checked twice if there is everything I need and I found what I need with a nice syntax. Maybe the PNG-predictors (reading and writing) would be something interesting, but well, I can program this by myself. So, why this hurts the developers of this language if I think it should be renamed (for reasons that you can read in this issue)? Opponents of "Issue 9" or Go (without exclamation mark) will always refer back to issue no. 9. Since "Issue 9" is no bad name, I think it's better to rename it as far as possible. This gives a next time for the press to write something about it and even the author of Go! will benefit from it - even in future, since this story will be something like a myth, a nice story, everybody wants to read or hear about. Google can only win if they rename this nice thing. |
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Nov 12, 2009
elgooG :) P.S. Google should change the name... |
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Nov 12, 2009
@530: You say "I'm unsure" that tells the story. No body know what is in the developers' mind so better leave it on them. If they decide to rename it, then it is OK! :-) (well, seems another name ) , otherwise we must be agree on their dicision. |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" is a perfectly fitting name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
>> Issue 9 is not a good name at all for the guys >> who worked hard to make such a powerful and high performing language. oh well, IMHO if they worked so hard they probably could also invest some time in (sic) googling for a better language name! I think nobody would have mercy for, say, a car manufacturer who suddenly rolls out a Mercede$. And it's no different for Go. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I still vote for Issue9, but support 273 (Google Issue 9 -> GI9) http://code.google.com/p/go/issues/detail?id=9#c273 And I want to add: GI9 can be written as 619 I like Google9 (G9 - 69) as well, but I find that including the word "Issue" would be epic. |
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Nov 12, 2009
If Go and Go! are not the same, then I think I should register a new company called Google! or Go!ogle ;) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google is evil a long time now.... Att Uncle_Joseph |
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Nov 12, 2009
@536: My dear friend there are C and C++ but no Google and Go!ogle, hope u understand :-) |
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Nov 12, 2009
How about Google-Fu? Or perhaps Goo-Fu? |
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Nov 12, 2009
@532: What do you think about something that is "open"? Is it wise to not say an opinion because developers might not want it? I do think that "open" means to say the opinion. Well, it could be an unwise opinion. That risk has to be taken as it is. Important is to say what you think. You're right in that we need to hear the developers first and that they decide it at last stage. But well, I've installed in a ~/issue9/ directory yesterday (german time ;) ). |
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Nov 12, 2009
@ 541, so If i write "hey there!" you will read it as 'hey there bang' out loud? didn't think so I think google should rename their language. /me smells a lawsuit |
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Nov 12, 2009
@392 Apple is the new Microsoft. Google is the new Skynet. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@540: Well friend you are right about meaning of "open" and that’s why we are here and increasing the count of the comments :-). And about your directory, after all it is on your computer! :-) Enjoy! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 is good, but if it worked for Prince it could work for Google -- so I'm plumping for "The Language Formerly Known As Go" (with the added benefit that the logo could be some unpronounceable squiggly thing...) Either way, the right thing to do is clearly to change the language name while it's still new enough that you can do that easily. Repoint the homepage/repository to whatever new name it ends up with, serach/replace the docs/source, job done. Warm fuzzy feelings all round for Not Being Evil. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change the name. Og! anyone? |
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Nov 12, 2009
Please google, don't use G# as it is my blog! hahaha =P http://thegsharp.wordpress.com |
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Nov 12, 2009
POLL: http://www.doodle.com/yeqqgagt9728efkq |
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Nov 12, 2009
Im gonnna have to vote for OG as the name too! |
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Nov 12, 2009
I agree with Issue9, one word, so when you google it you're not getting mixed with other wrong search results that "Issue 9" would give you. Try googling "Issue9". It says "did you mean Issue 9?". Now google Issue 9. You're given thousands of magazines and newsletters. Words like Goo or Goop would give you thousands of wrong results. Google should name it something easy to google. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Vote for "Issue9" |
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Nov 12, 2009
I9 +1 Me too! |
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Nov 12, 2009
fmccabe, just be happy you'll probably be hired by google :p jokes aside, i think they should change the name yeah. |
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Nov 12, 2009
GONG, which stands for GONG's outright not go! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Why is this issue still not accepted? |
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Nov 12, 2009
Nazis! ... Godwin's Law enters to save the day :P |
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Nov 12, 2009
Is this thread a poll regarding the new name for Google "Go"? @fmccabe, hope this situation will resolve itself - It's the corporate megalomania not even considering researching the name before claiming it. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Be fair, don't destroy a man's life work. Change the name of the language. |
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Nov 12, 2009
This man has a legitimate claim to sue to either a.) get Google to change it, or b.) pay money for damage and Google knows this. I love Google, but this little incident made me lose a LOT of respect for them. Just change the name, Google. |
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Nov 12, 2009
You can read the ! symbol in English. It is commonly pronounced as "Bang". "Go Bang" vs "Go" is exactly the same difference as in "C Sharp" vs "C", pronuntiation-wise. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@Knallkopf: "Be fair" is always good. DE: Aber manchmal knallen halt Köpfe gegeneinander. Suche dir mal einen schöneren Nick, wenn du schon Namensänderungen forderst und uns nur sagst, der aktuelle Name würde irgend ein Leben zerstören. Beweise das erstmal. Das Gegenteil ist der Fall. Der Name der Sprache sollte trotzdem geändert werden. Das wäre ein guter und vor allem schöner Zug von Google, mit dem die Sprache dann auch in gewisser Weise eine Geschichte bekommt, nämlich die, daß eine Gemeinschaft den Namen des "Dings" gefunden hat und das alles nicht nur ein von der Vermarktungsabteilung gemachter schlechter Abklatsch von Vertriebskonzepten für 1000 mal schon erfundene, letztlich sinnlose Computersprachen ist. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change the name! Just rename it g ! |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" is awesome |
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Nov 12, 2009
Unfortunately, when you snooze you loose mccabe. You didn't trademark the name, and you didn't make a big enough impact for anyone to care. If you want meritocratic respect I suggest you stay in the academic sector where projects like yours belong. Being a part of industry means following the rules of competition, and you failed at that. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Come on Google , just change the name. Don't be evil! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change the name. And Issue9 is OK for you guys that know where the name comes from, but it's silly when out of context. |
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Nov 12, 2009
And yet another +1 for i9. |
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Nov 12, 2009
here's the perfect name 'Google 17fe1882-86a2-492d-af95-da5e6c3ef717' |
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Nov 12, 2009
Guys, this has happened within the last 36 hours. You act like Google found out about this months ago. Calm down and give the PR department some time to do their jobs. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google, dont be foolish - the people will stand for McCabe. |
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Nov 12, 2009
google do you want be known for stealing a name or coming up with your own? |
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Nov 12, 2009
I agree with oterosantos! Issue9 is silly when out of context! I think just g would be the perfect name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Gone" can also be an alternative :)) |
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Nov 12, 2009
hmm.. i9!#++ |
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Nov 12, 2009
or i9!Go |
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Nov 12, 2009
@helmwo: Have you written a book and know how much of your personal life goes into something like that? Have you spent 10 years working on something? I understand that his work might have not had the impact that other languages had, but as conscientious human one might try not to deliberately stomp on other people and their work. Especially if it's as simple as naming something. Btw. the name makes it impossible to search. So they could use this as a good excuse to change the name into something better. However, I doubt they will do it, because it would require admitting a mistake (didn't google for "go language") and by now they're also already emotionally attached to the name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@575: Everything seems to be out of context if you do not have that needed context. "Go" is far more out of any context regarding programming languages than you can think of. As a "verb" that "go" means something like to move from point A to B in a specific way. Nice. But is a compiling language something that "moves"? Well there is a construct in Issue9 that starts with the keyword "go". But that alone is no reason to name this language. It's a very nice thing, well. It's not not that important to acceptance like to be honest. And - we want to be "experimental" with this language: why not change the now official name. PS: "Issue9" is acceptable as new name as "Issue 9". I'd personally think that between "Issue" and "9" needs to be a half-space sized space... ;) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google could call their language "Gool" :-) |
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Nov 12, 2009
@579: I did typeset some books. This is just like writing it. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I see a lot of people arguing "well, it's perfectly legal for Google to do this". They're right. It's not illegal. There's a reason people are upset on Mr. McCabe's behalf, though, and it's because a social convention has been broken. There's no law against being rude, but people will still form an impression of you based on your behavior. (Personally, I like "Issue 9"/i9 as a name. It's clever, searchable, gives a nod to the Plan 9 roots, and wraps this issue up almost perfectly. But I expect that those within Google won't budge on this, because substantial effort has already been put into branding.) Final request: will someone actually working on the project comment here, and either close the issue as WontFix, or move it to Thinking? |
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Nov 12, 2009
McCabe, you are right. Your language is published in several places. Google change it. Go and Go! are very similar. |
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Nov 12, 2009
GOOGLE change the name...call it whatever you want |
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Nov 12, 2009
I don't think an bug tracker works as a democracy but I also vote for i9! |
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Nov 12, 2009
vote.Issue9++; I don't want to google go. And I'm a computer scientist so you better listen to me, google, or I will compute some science... Science! ...I wish I was a veterinarian |
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Nov 12, 2009
if google doesnt change the name imma start using yahoo |
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Nov 12, 2009
I totally agree, Issue9 would be much easier to search and is much cooler anyway. "go" would make any quick search an epic quest. |
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Nov 12, 2009
It's hard now to change the name... |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change the name, oh and by the way don't use any name that is listed on wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages |
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Nov 12, 2009
My friend said call it 'STOP'. Then we will have book like 'STOP programming'. |
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Nov 12, 2009
i9 FTW!!! It seems natural giving the fact, that the compiler and linker already use numbers specifying the architecture (5g,6g,8g and 5l,6l,8l) and the object files default to a number suffix (.6 for amd64 object files), so i9 would be THE choice as name alternative, respecting the original go! author with referencing this issue as well as being a nod to plan 9 (from outer space) :) And it sounds and reads good. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Yet another +1 for Issue9 / i9. |
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Nov 12, 2009
issue 9! yes |
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Nov 12, 2009
weird...this is a unique insight of how today´s google will behave in a difficult situation like this which in my opinion seems very interesting to watch... as a google long time user and advocate I hope it ends well (this kind of negative publicity can snowball and gain momentum and even confirm for some absurd conspiracy theories) Google should take a position and act quickly by contacting Francis McCabe..and he should also take a decision on what to do now after considering the fact that even by no fault of he is stuck in this situation. For me both languages have merits, but I still believe a solution can be reached somehow only if both parties take civilized aproach and choose win win. Lets keep our fingers crossed. |
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Nov 12, 2009
A +1 for Issue9 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should stick with their name. It's a common word, no matter how you accentuate it. Lets say your programming language was called Stop! Would you have an issue with all the worlds Stop Signs? How about the green traffic lights which signify the word go? If you wanted it to be yours badly enough, then you should've gotten a copyright. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Please Ctrl-F for your argument before posting it to this page -- it is hideously long and VERY VERY repetitive. Let's just call it 'Google Go', alright? It's easier to explain anyway. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@589: Did Google name a new traffic sign? |
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Nov 12, 2009
Go STOP! |
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Nov 12, 2009
++Golang, ++Issue 9/i9; Also, @444: You're wrong, that's what trademarks are for. Unfortunately the original name wasn't trademarked, but this is an issue of good faith, fortunately Google's motto should help here. Bonus points to Google if they also pay for the trademark and donate it to fmccabe! |
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Nov 12, 2009
The first thing I do when trying to name something is google for it! |
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Nov 12, 2009
I9 +1. Issue9 is a good name, if change name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 is the key!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Maybe they can give him some research funding to just "go" away. |
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Nov 12, 2009
google should not change the name because he is already serving the world right! this guy should be happy and feeling lucky that google is giving the name "Go" to its new programming language which is the similar to his own language "Go!" I agree with @538 and @544. Yo!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
I think google should call their language 'cum'. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I am not sure you have a strong case. First there is the trademark issue, second you yourself said you used the term "Let's Go!" for a book which if you google is the name of a very popular book series. Are you then infringing on their rights? Have a look at Amazon http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=lets+go&x=0&y=0 turns out Let's Go and Go are just popular. Its also a movie and an ancient game. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should change its name, they have more resources than Francis but Francis was there before. +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
why not everybody should change the name to the words they suggesting, then they would be able to know how it feels to get the name changed in the midle of their age |
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Nov 12, 2009
I'm thinking the Google is loosing the chance to name its language as "GooBar" :) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I9 +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google must change name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
if there is no copyright. google should not change the name! |
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Nov 12, 2009
If Google change the name, my favourites would be: g Goo Googol (The company name Google is a misspelling of the word "Googol" made by founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin) |
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Nov 12, 2009
go Google go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Do no evil ... change the name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
This isn't even a matter of copyright, coolboygreatone. This is a matter of what is right versus what is wrong. If it takes a copyright to stop you from doing something unfair and unjust then I have already learned much about you. |
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Nov 12, 2009
OK, The big Goog should really do the right thing and change the name, my fav is: Google GO2 |
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Nov 12, 2009
Come to think of it, the more I consider it the more I like: Google GO2 . clear reference to programming :-) . makes it clear that it's a Google effort . lets the language retain goroutines and its internal structure... Oh, well that's my suggestion. |
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Nov 12, 2009
No offense, but when you use such an unoriginal (and SHORT - two letter long) name, there is bound to be some overlap with other products. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I9 +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
I'm surprised no-one's thought of Gospel as an alternative name - Google's Open Source Programming Language. The name needs to be changed, and I love the idea of an worldwide poll (helps with the marketing of the language too ;) ) |
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Nov 12, 2009
goat is a great name... i actually i wanted to get a goat to keep my lawn clean hahaha. Google couldn't do it. a goat would. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I9 +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
My vote for g or g++ |
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Nov 12, 2009
I approve of Golang |
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Nov 12, 2009
@625 Not very secular. I thing there is enough "religion" in programming as is. Define "gospel": - "an unquestionable truth a doctrine that is believed to be of great importance" |
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Nov 12, 2009
google don't change the name!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Change Name! |
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Nov 12, 2009
The new language should be called McCabe, McCabe++, or McC++. |
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Nov 12, 2009
see fellows there are C++ and C# so why not Go and Go! what is the problem with you guys? |
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Nov 12, 2009
@602, Apologies, I was a little terse. But not wrong. People are talking about copyright issues, but while copyright is implicit it does not cover titles or names, which are solely the domain of trademark law. As such, if there was any legal ground it would have to be on trademark issues, but as there _is_ no trademark (and I doubt any IP office would allow a trademark for something so simple), there is no possibility of successful litigation from either side, even if one party was to file for and be granted a trademark at this stage. Anyone predicting lawsuits needs to find a better spirit guide. Much better arguments are presented in this issue. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I support fmccabe, Google should change the name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google Change Language |
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Nov 12, 2009
@635: Here copyright relates to the rights of the material in the books which person has written (as he mentioned). |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9! FTW! |
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Nov 12, 2009
votes["Issue 9"]++; |
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Nov 12, 2009
support your "no evil" pledge google... go give the man a spot on the payroll! |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" seems good... |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
How about Goop Gob Ogle Goggle GooG Gogogo G0 Bingo Yagoo Microgoft ごめん |
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Nov 12, 2009
Gosh... |
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Nov 12, 2009
At least make it something that it's possible to search for without running out of search terms that had to be used to exclude other things, guys. |
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Nov 12, 2009
why not "Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" ???? |
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Nov 12, 2009
g |
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Nov 12, 2009
I would vote for "golang" (that occurred to me before I even read this thread, based on the domain they're already using). |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google Goo or G++: no G# |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 from Google Labs |
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Nov 12, 2009
argh 197 was first |
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Nov 12, 2009
Gotta be golang... but Issue9 is pretty cool as well. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Nothing wrong with google using Go, just like nothing wrong with C++ using the C, nor using it in C# by Microsoft. There is no confusion, and there is no real difficulty in finding help for those languages. I think this is a non-issue and is just an excuse for people to get into the town-hall mentality of yelling out absurdities and not looking at the facts. While I agree that Go is not the best name I have seen, it is a fine name, and nothing wrong with it. These guys put a lot of work into the code with that name so just stick with it. Go and Go! can co-exist, even if !Go comes out. |
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Nov 12, 2009
@654: Fact is you are post #654. Congratulations. What you say is _one_ opinion. You make suggestions about the mental state of the developers of this language. Yes, they've put a lot of work into the code. But much more programmer are to come to put much, much more code into the big repository that means software written with the language we discuss in Issue9! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Why not call it BabyDontGo? I believe boy bands don't create programming languages, so there'll be no naming problems.. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Another vote for "Issue9" |
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Nov 12, 2009
i am disappointed with the front google has shown to the endeavoring international programming community which it has built off of. First with this announced "Google OS" which will use a lot of tools which have long been under development in the GNU/Linux community but do not mention the community or its infrastructure at all, and now this. I appreciate the opening of this language to help further develop it and its use, but perhaps it could have been done with a bit more research first. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Change the name! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Hear Hear |
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Nov 12, 2009
how about Ah gogo! ? jeje... |
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Nov 12, 2009
@161 by ropers - he self-published his book, but he also published articles in peer-reviewed journals and conferences. No reason to offend him. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I must disagree with you noncognizant. Google OS isn't even available yet. I would have to say the majority of people to actually know about Google's OS in development would know it is based on GNU/Linux tools. Once the OS is released I'm almost positive it will have words such as, "Based on GNU/Linux technology" etc. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9++ :) |
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Nov 12, 2009
I hope I get this #665: I do think "Issue9" is a little bit better than "Issue 9" as voted in a previous post of mine. |
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Nov 12, 2009
g3+ |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 will be great :) |
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Nov 12, 2009
What happened to Comment 666 ? |
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Nov 12, 2009
@669: deleted by someone... |
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Nov 12, 2009
Be sure to pick a new name that's unique enough for web searching, if you want to encourage help adoption. Searching for "go hello world", "go sockets example", "go gtk", etc. is going to pull up irrelevant stuff from other languages that just happen to have the word "go" on the page. Whereas, for example, with a more unique name like java's, searching "java hello world", "java sockets example", "java gtk", etc. is quite helpful. You'd think Google, of all places, would understand this. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I would change Google's Go to GRINGO! for 'GRingo Is Not GO!' or 'Go pRogramming language Is Not GO!' Nice and simple :) Also I think it would be easy to search unless there is some gringo language ;) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google change the name! There are references of the language Go! And of course, apologize with the author. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 +1! or gUgly, whatever |
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Nov 12, 2009
All these comments about changing the name from Go to Go2, Goo, Go++, or Goto are ridiculous. First of all Go is as far away from Go! as Goto and Go++, that is, 1 character. Go2 and Goo have the same number of characters as Go!, making Go even farther from Go! than those two. |
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Nov 12, 2009
God! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9 +1 |
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Nov 12, 2009
How about: how about GOOPLE = Google Object Oriented Programming LanguagE? |
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Nov 12, 2009
Anything less common than 'go' would make it a LOT easier to google... I can't find the grammar for that thing anywhere, maybe I should try Bing. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Lol, play fair. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Gowned! No, seriously, there are a lot of people claiming that "issue9" is more googleable (myself in comments 476 and 535), but it is not. Have you tried it? I9 is worse (Intel, iPhone...). I still like Google Issue9 (GI9) or Issue9, but being honest, and after reading a lot of these almost 700comments the most useful name for me is "GOLANG". Let's wait, I'm sure Google will change the name ;-) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Have google published their comments regarding this? |
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Nov 12, 2009
My vote is for go2 or godo. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 is a very cool name... and good a reference to its past and also to this "issue" :-) $ i9c helloworld.i9 |
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Nov 12, 2009
How about: how about GOOGLE = Google Object Oriented Gaming LanguagE? |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Go" != "Go!" ; |
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Nov 12, 2009
I think GOLANG would be an excellent name, because it's easier to search for. Regarding the name conflict: Who cares? It's just a name. Nobody cared about Go! before, and it's unlikely that anyone ever will. I don't consider it especially evil that google happend to chose a name that was taken by some obscure language that nobody had ever heard of. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google has screwed a lot. I vote for: "G programming language" (unique char names are associated with compiled languages) or "Issue9" (to remember this mistake in humbly way) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 is awesome |
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Nov 12, 2009
who cares.. "show me the code!" |
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Nov 12, 2009
As stated previously, the naming conflict aside, "Go" is a bad choice since it will be difficult to search for it. While naming it "Issue 9" would be a decision of epic awesomeness "golang" is at least a name that search engines will handle in a sane way. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Hi Frank, I worked for you on Imperial College Prolog back in 1990. I had a great time. Would like to know how you are doing. Do you have a twitter ID? Mine is @philip_schwarz. Regards, Philip Schwarz |
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Nov 12, 2009
If it's taken the guy 10 years to 'work' on it, something tells me it's not going to really take off. The matter of 'fairness' is a ridiculous argument; this is an unfair world. Google named their new coding 'Go'. Deal with it. |
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Nov 12, 2009
While everyone else is throwing out suggestions, I will throw out G. Won't need to change any of the internals to rename stuff. Can still call goroutines, goroutines, etc. But look, the lack of any response from google or the language designers/implementers tell me that they are actually taking this seriously, they're just thinking about what to do. Let them come up with their own name, if they decide to change it. One of the perks of writing your own language is that you get to name it. They must have liked "go", so it's probably hard for them to walk away from it. This has nothing to do with google. They're just the originators of the language. They're not trying to be evil, or whatever. They just developed something cool, didn't see the name taken on Wikipedia (the Go! entry was only added after this issue was raised) and went with Go. Cut them some slack, people. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Rewrite their search stuff with it and call it BingGo :-) |
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Nov 12, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQiQLqAKOA |
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Nov 12, 2009
Go it'a a stupid name, people at Google are not sane |
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Nov 12, 2009
GGlang |
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Nov 12, 2009
call it gumble |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue9++ |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 is awesome! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Why there's no comment 666? WHAT IS HAPPENING AT GOOGLE?! |
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Nov 12, 2009
What about Chanel GO! here in Oz? Should they change their name too? Also WTF DID happen to 666? |
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Nov 12, 2009
Well, the original language was called Go! ... I say "Not go" is more appropriate: !Go. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Issue 9 is awesome name! Maybe source file extension should be changed to .i9? |
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Nov 12, 2009
McCabe's language is go! which is not the same as Google's go. If McCabe says Google's go infringes on go!, then what about c, c++ and c# ? That would mean c++ by Stroustrop et al infringes on Dennis Ritchie's c and should rename it. Similarly, c# of Microsoft infringes on c and they should rename it. |
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Nov 12, 2009
wtf so many comments. DIEDIEDIEIDIEISATANBANMYACCOUNT |
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Nov 12, 2009
The omission of post 666 is most likely a programmer who did it for fun. Though this might be the only time the "feature" was triggered. On the other hand, it could just be some random censoring :) oh, btw, Issue9++ |
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Nov 12, 2009
How about "Qu", which means "Go" in Chinese :-) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Go (碁) is also referred to as Igo (囲碁).
The character 囲 (looks like a game board) means "to surround something"
and it represents the goal of the game briefly.
Igo ("I go", not iGO) is much more searchable than "Go", isn't it ?
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Nov 12, 2009
I think the best thing to do is just find a good name. Even Java (originally Oak) had same problem. To find a good name though should be left to the creators, its their baby ;-) Btw, #711, #712, pretty irritating to see natural languages pop up here some one else will suggest German or Russian (read why Chinese?)! |
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Nov 12, 2009
In fact, #712 is referring to Japanese. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Another +1 for Issue9. It's a great nod to the fact that they farked up and are willing to take responsibility, if they choose that as a name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Go" will cause many problems when trying to google for a help. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I vote for "Issue 9" as the name! |
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Nov 12, 2009
#717 Yep, it seems to be a very coooool name if use "Issue 9" as the name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Of course "Issue9" , it's so cool. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I think GOTO will be better~~ haha |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Nine" will be wonderful |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" is great! |
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Nov 12, 2009
@708 it's a matter of principle and generally doing the right thing. "Issue 9" kicks ass as a name anyway. |
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Nov 12, 2009
In the end its entirely up to Google to decide whether to change the name or not. According to me, since the language Go! language owner does not own a trademark, anyone can use the name Go. I appreciate the request of the author, its upto google to decide. I believe its still fair if Google continues to use the name Go for its programming language. |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9"! (abbr. i9) |
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Nov 12, 2009
Search for "go" on Google and you will find about 2,950,000,000 results. Search for "issue9" and you get about 59,800 results. issue9 is a far better name. If for nothing else it will be much easier to find resources when searching google. It's a badass name anyhow. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Gooo |
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Nov 12, 2009
Name it "Google Go version 1.0.0 build 1" Now this dicussion in going in the wrong way! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Goop Object Oriented Programming |
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Nov 12, 2009
"Issue 9" will be a nice name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
google should change the name ... i think its enough of google employee arrogance, they think they are GOD's .. please come down to earth , you are humans. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I appreciate mc cabe for rising up to defend what is definitely his ... we are with you mc cabe, well done, go ahead .. may the force be with you. |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should not change the name ... the developer of the language may have the emotional attachments to the "Go" name, like we all have in our life towards something. If they would have behaved like GOD then you had not been able to post here my friend. |
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Nov 12, 2009
I say Bingo - |
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Nov 12, 2009
I think "elgoog" is an awsome name |
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Nov 12, 2009
gfw ---> go fun work |
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Nov 12, 2009
i want this name is "GOODINH", Dinh's my name (:D). Vote for my name, Thanks!! |
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Nov 12, 2009
I also like the name Issue 9. Google will lose a lot of respect in the tech community if they don't change the name. |
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Nov 12, 2009
> gfw ---> go fun work Hi5! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Hey I proposing new name for google language: Elgoog (google in reverse). What you think? |
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Nov 12, 2009
I too vote for 'golang' or 'i9' (it's shorter and looks better than Issue9). The guy came up with the name. For those of you who brought the C -> C++ example: your example isn't valid in this situation. C++ was actually a set of extensions to the C language. Google's Go is NOT an extension to Go!, nor is Go! an extension to Go. I say rename the language. It's not that big of a deal. P.S.: And I don't think your &[3]int{1,2,3} is going to get you anywhere, either. Have some common sense and pass references by value, like Java. Spare us the pointers, will you? (my other half loves pointers though). |
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Nov 12, 2009
Google should stick to original name of the language "Go". Don't change the name! |
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Nov 12, 2009
Glang? How do u think about this name? |
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Nov 12, 2009
@741: What about C++ and C# P.S. : Google should not change the name |
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Nov 12, 2009
i dont like C#, i like G++. |
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Nov 12, 2009
NoGo Open No-go |
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Nov 13, 2009
灌水一把 |
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Nov 13, 2009
why gl |
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Nov 13, 2009
#747 咱也來中文頂一下! |
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Nov 13, 2009
Yup, change the name to Glang :-) "Do no evil" - I think that is starting to fade Google! |
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Nov 13, 2009
My vote goes for Golang |
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Nov 13, 2009
This is ridiculous. There wouldn't be nearly as big a stink over this if this new language was by an independent individual who wasn't associated with Google. No one is using Mr. McCabe's language and no one is likely to start using it in any great numbers anytime soon. I'm sorry he was unable to gain any traction with his language, but there it is. I vote for Google to keep the name "GO". |
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Nov 13, 2009
Suggestion google,go, issue9, year 2009 -> g09 |
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Nov 13, 2009
Goo is a good name. I support fmccabe.Google should change it's name. |
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Nov 13, 2009
[in Homer Simpson voice]: G'oh! |
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Nov 13, 2009
My vote for "I9" |
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Nov 13, 2009
The important point is that Mr. McCabe has the intangible assets: copyright, language named "go!", unregisterd distinctive sign which has earned by use (many years). I am spanish IP attorney and if Mr. McCabe needs any advices or assistance, please contact me. And recommend to Mr. McCabe register his sign in the USPTO and other national (Japanese) or European Offices. |
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Nov 13, 2009
goo would be nice but a japanese company(www.goo.jp) already took it. 1 vote for golang. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I agree with @752. Google should not change the name. This is the principle of the world that if somebody is progressive people always pull his leg. And we should overcome this mentality. Don't Change the name! |
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Nov 13, 2009
I think Google should change the name. Why not make a poll? This will certainly make go much more well know. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I love Glang!! |
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Nov 13, 2009
I agree with Golang (ご覧, take a look) or Gang for short. |
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Nov 13, 2009
This language is going to be in open source community so why bother about naming. Just take the advantage of the features of language. If changing the name of the language make the guy happy, then change it. But that won't change the reality, which is: this language is going to benefit the software developers. Thats it!. Go Google Go!!! |
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Nov 13, 2009
凑热闹给来点创意: Goooooooooooooooo... BingGo BangGo GoGoGo Go++ Go# GooGo Good GoodBye GoodMorning GoodYear ... |
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Nov 13, 2009
Google, don't be evil. Change the name! |
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Nov 13, 2009
It likes a story of JoJo as programming language. How about "JoJo"? |
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Nov 13, 2009
It was an extremely poor choice of name anyway. As many people have pointed out, common words like "go" are not easily searchable (and I don't just mean in Internet search engines but everywhere). It wasn't a helpful choice. Since Google is clearly in the wrong on the name clash issue anyway (and derelict in not checking first), they should demonstrate now that they're a nice friendly community player, not an evil one, and take the opportunity to rename the language with a more useful name. |
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Nov 13, 2009
What about "Plan name from other people space"? |
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Nov 13, 2009
I have constructed a list of all the pros and cons of using all the reasonable names listed thus far: http://tinyurl.com/ygsm2gv This is not a matter of ethics or morality or fair play, nor of Google's attitude, influence, or motto, nor of searching difficulty or namespace pollution. No, this is a matter of the name "Go" being completely stupid. It is quite fortunate that McCabe used this name already and started this issue. Without that, the stupidity of the name would go ignored. I, for one, am glad that the name is in a position of reasonable change. By this point, this "discussion" can only be sanely handled by a wiki document concerning the matter. (Based on the above link or not.) This isn't even funny anymore. The only value further comments have is to become another statistic in the event, with my own comment being no exception. If all you have to post is *more* name ideas that have already been stated, or to upvote "Issue 9" or any variation thereof, PLEASE RECONSIDER ADDING YOUR COMMENT. |
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Nov 13, 2009
How about leaving any reference to the word "go" in the language, and just change the official name of the language to "Golang"? And then people can just call it "Go" for short. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I agree with #22: A more unique name has its benefits for Googling about the language. "Go" gives to much irrelevant stuff. (i understand google.com will eventually sort out what i want, but i do use other search apparatus occasionally) For example, use GoGo. |
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Nov 13, 2009
@768: Everybody has right to say his word even if these are repeated words. This is the power of open source and of humanity. I am just waiting for the Google official reply. I hope it would not take time as it took Gmail to get out from beta! Go Google Go!!! |
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Nov 13, 2009
Google need to change the name. |
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Nov 13, 2009
改成 Goo 吧 Change to Goo |
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Nov 13, 2009
To Smooth Porcupine: "This is not a matter of ethics or morality or fair play, nor of Google's attitude". Because you said so? Because Google lawyers are going to say that? No matter if the name is stupid or not. The matter is the name is alredy in use, and people working for the bigger search engine on the planet being unable to search for it, or disrespect the results because "my company is powerful enough to take precedence" or something like that. |
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Nov 13, 2009
G, Goo, or something like that are more likely to be already used. And it is not easy to google it. So rename it to some other unique name. |
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Nov 13, 2009
"Issue 9" sounds cool, but same as "go" too common for googeling imho. |
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Nov 13, 2009
"Go9" would be nicely searchable at least. ;) |
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Nov 13, 2009
After reading proposal for Go! Wikipedia entry deletion, I'm starting to think that the appropiate name for this project will be Goatse. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Mr. maccabe, your "Go" language is used to create for Desktop application or web based application or others ? |
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Nov 13, 2009
@comment 772: > I am just waiting for the Google official reply. Yeah, and to help them and us alike, I'd like to make the thread that much shorter instead of saying the same things over and over. I realize that it is human nature to repeat the same task over and over and over again, and open source facilitates people doing the same exact thing over and over and over again, but is it *really* necessary for all of SIX BILLION people to say the same exact thing? Wouldn't it be far more effective and a lot easier to manage if people instead simply voted that they all shared the same opinion? Please people, follow the advice of the notice and simply upvote the issue if you don't have anything more to contribute. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Google, the right thing to do is change the name. It's not even up for debate. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I don't want to help you all to make a bad thing. Someone can stop that: Google Inc. |
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Nov 13, 2009
CHANGE THAT NAME, dear GOOGLE! Take RESPECT for those who EXISTS BEFORE YOU, DEAR GOOGLE. You are not the king. Internet is OPEN AND FREE, YOU CAN'T BUY EVERYTHING, DEAR GOOGLE. |
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Nov 13, 2009
There's no chance of defending as common word as go in things like trademarks. The only reason Google has to change the name is politeness. More distinct names are more complex and less likely to capture mind space. Go has so much elegant simplicity than any proposed name choice I've seen above, it fits with my understanding of Google attitudes/ethos and the language objectives of minimising typing (except in the increase of types of Go language:). I say stick to go. People are right, the other Go! will probably benefit from all the accidental exposure it gets, he might even sell some copies of his book on the back of it! |
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Nov 13, 2009
Mr. McCabe's language is "Go!". Google's language is "Go". If we accept C and C# as different languages, then why not Go and Go! as well? Anyway, my idea is that Google shouldn't change the name and Mr. McCabe should be thankful for the *gratis* indirect publicity he got from the whole issue. Hell, I'm even considering buying his book now out of curiosity. If nothing else works, then change the name to "GOlang" and forget about it. |
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Nov 13, 2009
@785: You are right and in addition to this, Google can hire him to operate their typewriter. |
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Nov 13, 2009
"There's no chance of defending". So this is going to be a fight? |
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Nov 13, 2009
I'm surprised no one has suggested "Goo", that I could see. :-) Issue 9 is rather nice, to tell the truth. |
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Nov 13, 2009
@785 >> There's no chance of defending as common word as go in things like trademarks. You mean like Windows, Apple or Sun? |
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Nov 13, 2009
@789: comment 17. You didn't look too long, did you? |
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Nov 13, 2009
Issue 9 would be the best name for this language. Not only does it "solve the problem" it is a nod to to McCabe, it is a unique name and I think it is pretty memorable. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Use "golang", as this matches the website, "erlang", ... The compiler is called 6g/8g anyways so its quite simmilar if "o" or "olang" is ommited. I'm waiting for "aplang", "milang", ;-) |
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Nov 13, 2009
Stealing an existing name is bad. Using a name that is not Googleable is even worse. Programs for the game of Go (Weiki in Chinese, Baduk in Korean) had this problem for years. The best way to search for them is to use something like "Computer Go", but that doesn't always work. |
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Nov 13, 2009
It is retarded to say that google 'stole' the name. As you have mentioned, go is a hard to search word. Have you guys ever created a language? It is amazingly hard to come up with a name that wasn't used already by an obscure language... Also, "go programming language" is already working well at finding results. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Proposals for deleting Wikipedia entries, personal insults and attacks, attempts to distract attention, allusions to lawyers... Nice, google, this thread is a great illustration of the "Don't be evil" motto. |
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Nov 13, 2009
what about "Goddess"?:) |
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Nov 13, 2009
Ohhh Come one... change de name quickly... It´s better than look very bad... This news is spreading very quickly.... I know this is not easy but, the google can do better than just copy someting... PS: Nobody will write: "The Go Programming Language" we are to lazy... And "Go" is already used to in advertising of the VISA. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I suggest that google use "poople" comes from popple, which looks like google and 'p' indicates Programming. |
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Nov 13, 2009
I suggest split "Go" into GoSE , GoME , GoEE , Godroid , GoWT , Gobernate , Gopring , Golet , GoMX , GoBeans ...etc. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Like Obama said "Vote for change". Google should build a website to let us vote for a new name from all the names listed here. We need the "Change We Can Believe In".:P I support Issue9 anyway! |
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Nov 13, 2009
"Issue 9" :-) |
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Nov 13, 2009
Godot! You need wait no longer! |
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Nov 13, 2009
Go++ LanGo |
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Nov 13, 2009
I9o - Pronounced "I go" but written "I90" also for Issue 9/Issue go :D |
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Nov 13, 2009
LOL! "Issue 9" is good idea! Google wants to be fun with this language, and this name is funny too:) |
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Nov 13, 2009
Google's language would become an epic Internet meme, even if it didn't take off, if only they made a public announcement saying something to the effect of, "in the spirit of not being evil, and giving a nod to Mr. McCabe, we are changing the name and commemorating his language as well, by renaming our language to 'Issue9'" or something like that. Personally, as a programmer, if Google won't change the name, I won't use it. I think the programming community could easily force a name change - so I hereby propose a boycott of Google's language, unless they change the name! Who's with me? |
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Nov 13, 2009
vote for "Issue 9" :-D |
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Nov 13, 2009
@810: WTF! , you won't use a programming language because it has name you don't like. I am damn sure you are not a programmer. I am with google in both cases (they change the name or not). |
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Nov 13, 2009
I can't stop using a programming language because his creators are acting like a bunch of morons. |
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Nov 13, 2009
...but I can just not start using it. |
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Nov 13, 2009
...and stop trusting the company that suports them. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Why dont you force to change the ancient game of Go to the more programmer-friendly name of black-and-white-beans? Come on, its just a name who has been used since a long time ago. Who cares? |
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Nov 13, 2009
I even can consider using Bing ;-) |
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Nov 13, 2009
My first reaction when I saw this issue was to think that Google should change the name. After thinking a little more and reading the posts here I really laugh when I see some folks saying that "when they want to name something that first thing they do is to google for it". Guys... Google is a big company! with departments and many teams and lawyers, etc! Many people here talk like the name of the programming language that was a product fo the 20% rule of Google was chosen by Eric Schmidt, Sergey Brin or Larry Page! When a company like Google (OR ANY OTHER COMPANY, LIKE MINE!) wants to choose a name for something, the FIRST thing it checks is if there is a COPYRIGHT! I still think It would be better if they change the name... but I don't think that they must! And don't think that "they are evil" if they don't! |
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Nov 13, 2009
@817: black_and_white_beans or BlackAndWhiteBeans or blackAndWhiteBeans. A minus is a minus, you know? |
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Nov 13, 2009
@778 : i vote "go9"! it spells "google" in chinese :) |
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Nov 13, 2009
http://www.bing.com/search?q=google+is+evil&go=&form=QBLH&filt=all 1-10 of 22,700,000 results }:) |
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Nov 13, 2009
http://www.bing.com/search?q=google+is+good&src=IE-SearchBox&FORM=IE8SRC "google is good" ALL RESULTS 1-10 of 83,300,000 results GO google Go!!! |
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Nov 13, 2009
everybody is free to follow their choices, this is free world! otherwise how the Bing will make money then :-) |
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Nov 13, 2009
I vote |
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Nov 13, 2009
Issue 9, I9, GI9, Go9 |
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Nov 13, 2009
Forgot to put a link to slashdot discussion: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/11/12/1256234/Google-Under-Fire-For-Calling-Their-Language-Go |
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Nov 13, 2009
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Go_server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Go Well, time for a change. They should rename their game ! |
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Nov 13, 2009
I demand that this issue be marked as "Ignored"! That would be factual. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Guys, lay off of Francis McCabe. So what, he's a little-known programmer and self- published writer. It doesn't mean you have to rip the guy for his opinions. |
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Nov 13, 2009
@813 - Actually I have been programming for 25 years. I have used many tools and languages in that time - many of which are now dead. It is not an issue of not liking the name - it is an issue of choosing not to support something I believe is immoral. I can believe that Google didn't realize the name was already used, and the proper way to deal with that situation is to change it. "Not being evil" requires action - it is not something you can simply say. They need to change the name. There's hundreds of programming languages to choose from, and "Google GO" is actually nothing special - in fact, it has re-introduced some issues which I find particularly annoying, and dropped features which many developers like. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Suggestion: GC Short for "Google C" or "Go C" It conflicts with the usual abbreviation for the garbage collector, but I don't think that's such a big deal. Other suggestion: GNC Short for "Go's Not C" or "GNC's Not C" (like GNU for GNU's Not Unix) |
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Nov 13, 2009
@832: I am also a software engineer but don’t have as much as experience you have. I think using word "Go" as a name of programming language is not at all immoral (even there is already a programming language called "Go!"). We must understand one thing that as a big boss (having many responsibilities on your shoulders ) you can't satisfy everybody, i.e. Google can't. About "Not being evil" tag, Google is already serving at their best and doing the right things. But of course as a company profit should be first. There are many programming languages exist, as a senior programmer you must know that every programming language has its purpose, it is built for a particular objective, no different case with "Google Go". I support "Google Go"! |
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Nov 13, 2009
Issue 9 will eventually be shortened to i9 which will be confused with Intel chips. How about take Japanese language go = 5, issue 9 = kyu Just call it Kyu |
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Nov 13, 2009
lol Issue 9 kyu so much go in there it defines win. |
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Nov 13, 2009
gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooogle |
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Nov 13, 2009
"Go" is a bad name, because it is not googleable. Googling "Go" finds mostly references to Go-the-game and other things, but not Go-the-programming-language. I vote for Golang. It rhymes well with Erlang. |
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Nov 13, 2009
The "Google is being evil!" reaction to the just-revealed go language makes a mountain out of a mole hill. This is a research project put together by three developers who happen to work at Google. They named the language themselves. I agree with some previous posters that both "go" and "Go!" are dumb names. "Go!" is a tree in the forest of toy languages that fell a long time ago with no one to hear it. |
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Nov 13, 2009
To me, this seems like a typical example of BS politics interfering with the evolution of technology. Who cares if it shares a name, seriously? I would much rather the minds at Google spend the time on the technology then spend even one second on something as lame as changing a name, which in itself amounts to almost nothing in my opinion. Sounds like most of the people here who care about the name, are also the kinds of people who put weight in things like business card titles and things like Linux certifications... Ugh.. |
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Nov 13, 2009
When somebody releases software under a free license, when they add to the base of Free Software that is a gift. Is a gift "evil" because it uses the same wrapping paper that somebody else has used? Not hardly. I think it's just bizarre that Google or anybody else could give the world a gift like a fully formed usable programming language and then have people call them evil for having given it a potentially ambiguous name. |
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Nov 13, 2009
"Go" is a really terrible name for a programming language. Besides the two languages, it has two common meanings in English (the verb and the name of the board game), and it also means "naked" in Croatian, and "him" in Polish. This many existing meanings is what you would expect for such a short word. Anyway, who chooses a name for a programming language these days without googling "<foo> programming language" to see if it's already taken? That's impolite at best; even downright negligent. The paper on the original Go! language, incidentally, is at http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~klc/annals.pdf . It's a concurrent-logic dialect of Prolog with asynchronous message passing and Hindley-Milner type inference. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Comment #789, thanks for validating what I've been saying. Comment #842, nice straw man. I know an ancient city that would have loved to look their gift horse in the mouth. IN 900 POSTS, WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY. TRUST ME. |
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Nov 13, 2009
there is still 'went' and 'gone' |
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Nov 13, 2009
I like Issue 9 but propose a new name: "GOOFY" Someone can even come up with an expanded name for this acronym. |
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Nov 13, 2009
Golang +1 The name now is way too confusing. That would be hard to find any relating resource online. (I know 100+ people stated the same thing above. I just couldn't help stating this again.) |
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Nov 13, 2009
I like "Issue 9" I'ts a good name :) |
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Nov 13, 2009
Issue 9 +1 |
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Nov 13, 2009
I realize I'm just another voice in the choir at this point, but "Issue 9" is simply a *brilliant* name. It's striking and lends itself well to branding and tool names. |
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Nov 14, 2009
how about "gogo" or "gogogo"? It sounds funy ,but maybe it's fit. |
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Nov 14, 2009
But issue9.org had been taken long ago. |
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Nov 14, 2009
Yes, google is a big company, and big companies can't die because of mistakes. Say, for example, Lehman Brothers. |
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Nov 14, 2009
its name should be "google language", otherwise we need to write "google's 'go' lanuage"... thats probably not exact.... |
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Nov 14, 2009
How about: "Easy" or "Ching" In Chinese, it means"易经", which is a classic text and has been popular for more than 5000 years in China. |
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Nov 14, 2009
GO-3 The language with accelaration. The characters -3 means moving in ascii art. |
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Nov 14, 2009
How about taking "Go!" and turn it to "iGo"? OR "iGigity Gogity iGO Dumb" from "Cogito Ergo Sum"? "Ga-ga-ga GO! D'uh!!" OR "BETA" LANG, you know, like most goog products are in "beta". OR ALPHA LANG to foreshadow google's future dominance. OR googlers don't just feel, googlers DO! (Kinda goes with Droid DOES.) OR Mee Too? OR SLang (Second Language) OR Go Fast! (Since compile time is almost instantaneous) OR Bang! Language Bang! bang! GO! shot me down Bang bang he shot me down bang bang what an aweful sound bang bang who will win the next round bang bang what an awful sound bang bang echoes through the wines bang bang who will win the next round GOOgle Bang GOxgle Bang Gxxgle bang bang ... |
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Nov 14, 2009
GNG - GNG's Not Go! |
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Nov 14, 2009
do is the best@ |
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Nov 14, 2009
From Plan 9 to Issue 9. The failures just keep on coming. |
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Nov 14, 2009
I think that Google should change the name . |
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Nov 14, 2009
I realize Issue 9 has great inside-joke resonance... and if a language can't be named with an inside joke (C++) why name it at all... but I think it would be better if a proposed name put emphasis on some language feature, rather than meta-language issue. For example, what about Go<- OR <-Go (Pronounced "Go arrow" or "Arrow Go" or... whatever else one wants to call the <- for performing read/write from a channel) Or, given the C-similar roots, one could make a MULTIPLE reference to "where some of this came from" and channels and the 'goroutine' operator with Arrow C: <-C |
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Nov 14, 2009
Google should change the name... the do no evil company seems to be going over to the dark side... and anyone involved with developing a programming language would be familiar with theory and many other research and academic languages out there, they should have known about go... I came across go studying for my programming languages class in grad school... a common man or programmer may not know it... but someone developing a language... come on... |
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Nov 14, 2009
or in tradition of b, c, d just call it G.. or Go++ .. |
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Nov 14, 2009
It should be named "OGC" or "Issue 9." |
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Nov 14, 2009
Because Google named the language Go, the author of Go! is getting all these free publicity. It's a something great to be happy about, not the opposite way! LOL |
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Nov 14, 2009
how about "omg"? or "90"? or "Gorz"? |
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Nov 14, 2009
@306 (temotor) dumb troll.. |
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Nov 14, 2009
My vote's for Issue9 as well. The name itself is cool and recognizable and this could make awesome programming folklore. Not to mention the connection to Plan 9! I want the tshirt already :-) |
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Nov 14, 2009
Issue 9 has a nice ring to it. Golang also works for me. As long as 'go' gets changed i'm happy though. Not because of the reason this thread was started, but because 'go' is simply a horrible search term. |
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Nov 14, 2009
Agreed with the renaming. I know it's inconvenient, but it's the right thing to do. I'm sure Google will recover. (I hear "G" is free now) |
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Nov 14, 2009
I will sell you gOOP for.... *one million dollars*. Wait wait come back... $100,000 and a six pack of Fresca. |
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Nov 14, 2009
This topic being probably the root of endless internal discussions, I suggest to all bloggers, journalists and the like to use the name Golang instead of any other name. If people talk about it differently, justice will come in happiness. I am already writing a tutorial intended for french beginners that use this name. Note: yes, Golang seems like the only name that internal google politics may accept, although personally I would have fancied Gol. |
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Nov 14, 2009
By the way, image is cc by-nc-sa (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/). |
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Nov 14, 2009
It's certainly looking like nothing will come of this, which is unfortunate. Google will just wait for the outcry to die down, and continue on the course. It's over. Mad props to fmccabe for fighting the good fight. Perhaps a legal challenge will be necessary as Google is obviously not publicly being responsive on this issue. |
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Nov 14, 2009
You're all idiots banging on about the name, what you to do is to stop trying make C safe and use Ada instead, it is already by design, supports concurrency, has realtime, has distributed capabilities, has OO, is readable (none of this i, j, k bullshit), is scalable (from embedded to distributed - did I already mention that already? - servers), you can define your data types to map memory exactly as you want it to, keeps you out of the debugger (most of the time if the app is designed and not slapped together like most C/C++ code is - blame management there), etc. Just a thought, eh Google!? |
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Nov 14, 2009
I think "Gopher" is also a good name! |
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Nov 14, 2009
Can this topic be changed from status "New" to status "Bikeshed"? |
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Nov 14, 2009
Ga++ > Ga2 > Gaga |
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Nov 14, 2009
I'm sure that you feel hurt, ripped-off, etc that Google chose to use the same word for their language that you chose. Don't you recognize that titles are often recycled. There are often dozens of books with the same title, and if you look in the IMDB you will see that movie names are frequently recycled for completly unrelated films or TV shows. The law provides a mechanism if you want to protect a name. It's called trademark. You chose not to do that with your language. You could have, but in effect by not trademarking it you were saying that you didn't mind if someone else also used the name for a computer language. Now, after the fact, you've changed you mind, and do want the title to apply to your language only. Unfortunately, you can't begin to see it this way. |
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Nov 15, 2009
I agree it should be renamed "Issue 9" |
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Nov 15, 2009
Over 800 people so far agree with this, why isnt the author of google go even acknowledging this? Issue 9 is just too win. i9 as a compiler command and file extension is just so easy to type on a QWERTY keyboard. PLEASE Google, consider naming the language Issue 9! |
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Nov 15, 2009
Issue 9 is a very exciting name ,but it's not serious,and makes you think bugs and The District 9. I think "G"or "el" sounds better. |
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Nov 15, 2009
Should be renamed. |
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Nov 15, 2009
Issue 9 sounds like a much better name than Go. This thread brings back terrible memories when searching google for ambiguous terms... |
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Nov 15, 2009
Issue 9 is an awesome name, love it!, Way better than Go! Although Gordian, as in the Gordian Knot, is kind of nice. |
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Nov 15, 2009
If Google's Language is open source, as it is, I guess someone could just derive a new language from the Go implementation and call it Issue9. I mean we have Mono which is C# on Unix. Maybe someone wants to port Go to windows and call it Issue9... |
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Nov 15, 2009
My vote is for Go@, pronounced like 'goat'. |
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Nov 15, 2009
Enter your commentsMy god it is the second time in the day I see the word 'unix' being used as if anybody was still using unix... all we have is unix clones (that are much better than it) . Let's begin calling them *n*x* or even better, specify: Linux, Solaris, freeBSD, go ahead! >Nice, google, this thread is a great >illustration of the "Don't be evil" motto. > Why does every google-related have to bring a "don't be evil" skeptic to say "I told U SO!"? Honestly, that's old. Very old, get a new thing to talk about. BTW, I don't see any post from a google representative in here. hmnn. I do hope fmccabe wins. If "Go!" can beat "Go" in a lawsuit so will "Bjarne Stroustrup" be able to sue MS and get them to rename C# to "Gibbberish" and thus they will stop leeching on the C name!. Then the C guys will sue "Bjarne Stroustrup" and also bring a lot of positive news for everyone. |
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Nov 15, 2009
'Issue9'... that is good! |
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Nov 15, 2009
Issue9 In my opinion. |
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Nov 15, 2009
#892 "I don't see any post from a google representative in here." That is the problem. |
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Nov 15, 2009
BTW I took a look at some golang documents and I'd like better Modula-2 or Ada... ...or even Cobol }:) |
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Nov 15, 2009
+1 for Rename, I'd say file a lawsuit Mr. Fab. |
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Nov 15, 2009
I vote for "Issue9". Sounds badass. |
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Nov 15, 2009
google, please change the name. Justice for all! |
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Nov 15, 2009
Issue9 +1 |
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Nov 15, 2009
My vote for Issue9. Nice and unusual name. And moreover, this name automatically justifies any future issues with the language :) |
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Nov 15, 2009
what about bingo? |
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Nov 15, 2009
The name "Issue 9" rocks |
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Nov 15, 2009
I don’t know what the matter with people out here is. Why they keep suggesting stupid names. Google can use “Go” word as a name of the programming language, which is damn true. Now it depends on them, if they try to be holy soul and change the name or simply ignore Mr. Fab. Try to understand that in any case people will get benefit out of this “Google Go” programming language. |
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Nov 15, 2009
:) I can recommend a cheap lawyer. |
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Nov 15, 2009
Please, Google, make us happy! Issue 9!!! It would be great story to tell to our grandchildren! |
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Nov 15, 2009
Rename +1! How about "Og"? |
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Nov 16, 2009
This is the test, Google. Are you evil? |
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Nov 16, 2009
Dear Mr Google, the whole community is watching you. Please DoTheRightThing(tm). |
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Nov 16, 2009
G spot |
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Nov 16, 2009
It's Monday, time for a response! |
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Nov 16, 2009
Issue 9 is brilliant! |
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Nov 16, 2009
Golang or issue9 (I'd keep it as a single word by omitting the space between issue and 9 personally) Theyre both better names in my opinion anyway, and its fairer |
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Nov 16, 2009
GoToo |
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Nov 16, 2009
Seems to me like "golang" is catching on. The main webpage for information about Go is golang.org and the name of the package in at least one Linux distro is "golang". |
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Nov 16, 2009
Yeah, I vote for "golang". Not because of Mr McCabe's "Go!" but because go is too generic and is not readily search-able. |
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Nov 16, 2009
+2 for issue 9 <snip from go for c++, replace (go,go statement) with (issue 9,issue statement)> Issue 9 permits starting a new thread of execution (a issueroutine) using the issue statement. The issue statement runs a function in a different, newly created, issueroutine. All issueroutines in a single program share the same address space. Internally, issueroutines act like coroutines that are multiplexed among multiple operating system threads. You do not have to worry about these details. func server(i int) { for { print(i); sys.sleep(10) } } issue server(1); issue server(2); (Note that the for statement in the server function is equivalent to a C++ while (true) loop.) <snip> |
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Nov 16, 2009
Issue 9 is good. |
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Nov 16, 2009
+1 for Issue 9 - it sounds nice and austere. And it sorta makes sense - google didn't check very carefully for a name conflict (or didn't care), so they get to have a language named after the fact that they didn't check very carefully for a name conflict. |
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Nov 16, 2009
GGo GooG GL - Go lang G2H - Go to hell GoLang |
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Nov 16, 2009
At the risk of repeating what others have mentioned before. I too am very much in support of the original author of 'Go'. Google should rename their programming language. |
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Nov 16, 2009
I'd rather have the name stay the same. Issue 9 doesn't have any of the elegance of "Go", and changing the name would cause a good deal of fragmentation, I think. +1 for keeping the name the same... |
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Nov 16, 2009
I support Mr. McCabe. |
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Nov 16, 2009
I love Issue 9 but it would be hard to search it, so Golang FTW! |
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Nov 16, 2009
Hopping on the "golang" bandwagon. There's already a glove to fit that hand into. |
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Nov 16, 2009
hey, guys, It's first of all a name for the game which had been created long ages ago! The game of Go or the Go game (Baduk). If you google for www.gog.is/Game+of+Go , you'll realize (yeah, that was shock for me as well, but still, don't even know how to recover...), that that game was invented a bit before 5000 years ago and.. not by Google!! Yes, that crashing truth, but we have to live with that.. Didn't you really know that?! Name clashing is ridiculous here! |
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Nov 16, 2009
#930 So I can use the name 'Pascal' for a new programming language, and expect general applause for my clever naming ideas, because that name was already in use for other things long before Niklaus Wirth used it? |
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Nov 16, 2009
Google probably already knew about "Go!" (or "gobang" as it may be pronounced, although it makes the "Let's Go!" book title sound dirty). So "Go" without the "!" is like "C#" without the "#". Also, I doubt you can trademark "Go" so legally there's not leg to . The real problem with the "Go" name is that its Google-proof: finding documents and references on it will forever be a pain. I'd say "Golang" or "GoLa" as a more Google-able name. None of the "Issue 9" silliness. |
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Nov 16 (6 days ago)
Mr McCabe's go a head and kick google azz not long ago google lawyers were busy in tracking any site that its name were similar to one of google sites they closed many sites like youtubeislam.com for example and forced the site owner to change it to tubeislam.com take a look on http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=124755579536 but in your case you have the right man go a head and ask for your rights |
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Nov 16 (6 days ago)
"Let the language with the most users keep its name. Er... That's not yours, is it? " That attitude is pretty much the sort of evil that Google's founders don't want done. |
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Nov 16 (6 days ago)
ELGOOG sounds like a Spanish computer from the 40's and avoids forcing the OP renaming their lang to 'Gone'... |
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Nov 16 (6 days ago)
Wow... A comparison of this "mistake" to the corporate dysfunction that brought down Lehman Brothers. Someone claiming to be an IP lawyer who doesn't know the difference between trademarks and copyright. People accusing Google of hubris on the scale of equating themselves with God - because they didn't notice an incredibly obscure existing language had a similar (not identical) name to theirs. Which, incidentally, is not merely free and open source, but is pretty much just an outright gift to the global development community, because there's no real commercial market share considerations involved in a programming language, unlike many of Google's other free offerings which are clearly of strategic value. This thread is surely subject to xkcd's law of youtube - you couldn't post a comment here dumb enough that people would know it was satirical. I think for the sake of Google's long term prospects as a company, they really need to nip this kinda crap in the bud, and definitively come out and reject the notion that "don't be evil" means "spend inordinate time, money and energy ensuring you don't ever mildly inconvenience any other person on the face of the earth." While issue9 would have a cool "memetic" factor as a name, I'm starting to think it would be an eternal reminder of the day one Google allowed a bunch of whining internet idiots bully them into changing an inconsequential decision for no real justifiable reason. Give people an inch, and its often the case that they'll take a mile. Any company would be better off without the kind of customers who threaten to boycott it over something like this. And this isn't just my prejudices as a customer service worker coming to the fore - its empirically well founded, and established in business best practice circles. The average business wants to lose its worst 10% or so of customers - it frees up a huge amount of essentially wasted resources that can be much better spent making the normal people a great deal more happy. |
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Nov 16 (6 days ago)
While I would love to see go renamed issue9 for the lulz (and PR among self-righteous geeks, such as those who would include 'do no evil' as a founding tenet of their company), Google's got a brand to maintain (which is why they're releasing this language). So, for the sake of the sanity of language, I think it needs to be renamed golang. And as a mea culpa to this whole situation, call the debugger issue9. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
Dude, get another name! The Google Go language is famous where nobody ever heard or cared about your language... just choose another name or if you really had a problem why didn't you trade mark it? then you've a legal right to complain... for now, you don't! |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
I guess Google should buy Mr McCabe's rights on Go! language for GOOGLE $USD to resolve this issue :) |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
I see this bug report is the only one still in "NEW" status. If they don't care about this they should change to "WONT FIX"; if they do they should change this to "ACCEPTED". Is Google trying to ignore this? |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
"GOL" Google's Own Language. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
I think google is not going to change the name of their programming language. Man! find another name like "@$%^&*#%&!" so that nobody can steal it. Have a good luck!!! |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
issue 9 would tie in perfectly to the plan 9 os. i think the name rocks. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
I also vote Go is renamed to Issue9. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
If the name can't stay and it must go, then why not "stay". As in "should I stay or should I go now"... Issue 9 sounds a little clunky to me and I don't think it has, ahem, staying power... |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
If Issue9 doesn't make it through I propose the new name to be: G9 or Go9 they're using similar names for their commands anyway: http://golang.org/cmd/ |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
I like issue9 / i9, but I also think 'oops' would be ok too. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
Perhaps a trade is fair. They keep "Go" and Mr. McCabe gets to rename his language "Google!" Or maybe they'll just stroke a 200k check ;) |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
Another vote for Issue9, what a cool language name. |
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Nov 17 (6 days ago)
issue 9 from google labs ftw~ |
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Nov 17 (5 days ago)
speaking as engineering student, I must ask: history and culture has registered the word "Go" for the game go... for any person connected to mathematics and programming, the word go assciates to the game. mister mccabe and google: why is it necessary to hijack this name with your own project? |
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Nov 17 (5 days ago)
Go != Go! |
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Nov 17 (5 days ago)
It's the Come From Language! |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
Comment 936: Dramatization vs dramatization. Nice. I have to wonder. As someone pointed out earlier, go is open source, so *when* someone (or some group) makes a go clone with the name Issue 9, will people use that or go? Remember, this language is still only a few days old, people have no attachment to it yet. Looking at the votes, it would be reasonable in some manner to assume people would go with the clone. In fact, a clone would wipe out many of the cons that this project faces with renaming, and retain all the pros. And all those features that have been rejected could be added. It will sure be interesting to see how the community reacts, whatever path is chosen on Google's side. |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
This issue is carelessness shown by Google. Google should search for some other name. Its like promoter of open-source technology trying to kill other open-source guys not with the quality but with the pride. |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
Ok, reality check. Google Go started as an internal project by a very small team of *nix developers. Does every internal project name within a company have to checked against all conceivable project names that might exist in other companies? Of course not. Pride on Google's part? I don't think that the Google the collective really thought that a name as simple as "Go" should be checked. Point me to the rule that says that only 676 English language based 2 letter project names are allowed to exist in the whole world for all of history... |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
this discussion is silly. |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
dschauer : The problem is, the issue9 language is no longer an internal project! I could call my internal project C#, but as soon as I release it, I'd have to change the name to avoid the conflict. |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
They should rename it to GoScript, G#, Gothon, GHP, ActionGo, or G++! :) |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
@dschauer Does every internal project name within a company have to checked against all conceivable project names that might exist in other companies? I know when *I* start a project that will see wide release I ALWAYS check to see if the name is taken. So yeah, they should have checked. You check EVERY time. How hard is that? |
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Nov 18 (5 days ago)
@mynamebackwards and @Jacob.Quellette, yes, I check every time, mainly to avoid collisions/confusion, not because I'm worrying about stepping on someone else's project name. And I agree that Google should have checked better. Also, in the case of Go!, prior to #issue 9, finding Go! even with google search might have been very difficult. I find google more at fault on this issue for allowing a publically released project to have such a short common name that is highly prone to collisions. @coolboygreatone, you are correct, this discussion is silly.... |
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Nov 18 (4 days ago)
Didn't anyone catch the missing 666 comment joke??? no evil = no 666 comment. duh |
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Nov 18 (4 days ago)
COMMENT 960 : goscript is already kind of taken... by ghostscript... |
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Nov 18 (4 days ago)
Yes,Google's Go must change its name, Issue9 is Great! |
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Nov 19 (4 days ago)
9 days passed and issue still in New status. Ridiculous. |
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Nov 19 (4 days ago)
GOlang is perfect, Issue9 is silly |
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Nov 19 (4 days ago)
I wrote 5 blog posts using GoLang name :) |
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Nov 19 (3 days ago)
Everyone needs to get over this issue. Google is not going to change the name. They've already invested too much time and money for their developers wages into it. Even to create and maintain this issue list. A PAID developer at Google!!!! In addition, I think its clear they are under no legal obligation to do so. To Mr McCabe: you win some, you lose some. Sorry man! Get over it. |
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Nov 19 (3 days ago)
There is no legal obligation it looks like for "Go" to be renamed. Now that "Go" has been advertised and largely understood as a language developed and promoted by Google, it may be easier for the language "Go!" to be emphasised with the ! so that it is understood as a different language and even enhanced with may be some help from Google if both parties are willing. I think this should be closed with "closed - no fix planned" as that seems to be intent here and stop the unproductive discussions |
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Nov 20 (3 days ago)
The name for interpreting the language should be short (like cc, etc)
The name should be easy to search too
Good sugestions:
golang - gl or gol (for compiling, no change on webpage)
Think about the debugger: "god" ;-) or "gld" and profiler "gop"
go2 is also a nice short and searchable name.
BTW, did anyone mention the that world best browser ("Firefox"), actually was
released and well known as "Firebird" for a while? It had a logo a bit like today´s
fox, but with a bird flying out as a phoenix from the ashes.
BUT - there was a database called Firebird...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mozilla_Firefox
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Nov 20 (3 days ago)
The missing comment #666 is not a 'feature' the Google Code issue tracker, it is clearly a deleted comment. Other Google Code groups have indeed issues numbered this high where 666 wasn't skipped. (http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=%22http%3A%2F%2Fcode.google.com%2Fp%2F%22+%22%2Fissues%2Fdetail%3Fid%3D666%22). So, the MUCH MORE INTERESTING question is, what happened to "Comment #666 for Issue #9 at Go" go? |
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Nov 20 (2 days ago)
Hmm - what happened to "Do No Evil!"... Bottom line - if the name has not been registered/trademarked there is not much that can force the name change. But - if I were influencing decisions at Google - it would get a LOT of kudos from the community if they acknowledged the issue and either bought the right (actual or not) or changed... They don't have to - but the elegant thing would be to do it... or at least address it officially... |
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Nov 21 (2 days ago)
*waiting for official response* |
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Nov 21 (2 days ago)
Just call it The OO Programming Language: 1. OO for the "oo" in Google 2. OO for object-oriented 3. OO for fast compilation (phonetically, that is - e.g., "Oo, it's fast!") 4. www.oolang.org |
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Nov 21 (2 days ago)
I think it comes down to whether McCabe actually got a copyright on the name for his language or not. If he did, then Google will have to change its name. If he did not, then it is up to the discretion of Google whether to change the name. However, it would be pretty uncool for Google to reuse a name of a language like that. Nobody really cares about the name of a language, but programmers do care that a language is useful. You could name your language anything ... I mean look at Java (a cup of coffee?) Come on! You could name your language Plate or Wheel ... who cares? Google should change the name regardless and change the title for the tutorial page because it's the same thing as McCabe's book. Google you are better than this ... simply admit your mistake and change the name. It will catch on no matter what. |
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Nov 21 (2 days ago)
#971: Firefox is actually the third name. It was originally called Phoenix before they changed it to Firebird. They changed it because of trademark issues with Phoenix Technologies and then the Firebird database people got upset. |
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Nov 21 (42 hours ago)
Another vote for Issue 9 It would make the most awesome reference. |
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Nov 21 (40 hours ago)
I too like Glang. What about Goog? |
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Yesterday (38 hours ago)
Come on Google, be good people and change the name, so we can go back to working on the language instead of being annoyed at your little mistake. Even ignoring the clash and prior claim, nobody in their right mind wants to search for "Go". It's extremely unhelpful. |
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Yesterday (36 hours ago)
i am really interested will the Google prove it's name of not being evil and change the name, or it will turn to be another M$ corporation |
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Yesterday (34 hours ago)
If contents of Issue 9 would lead to changind new Google's language name which personally I think is the right choice, I would vote for "G" (not listed on wikipedia as already used name) or Go2 (original and libraries naming sceme would not change), both containing the magic "G" letter, which by the way officially stands for good - in "don't be evil" phrase. As for goopy - pronounced in english means "stupid" in polish, well, reminds me of the "syfy" channel which is written and pronounced in Poland as grunge as well as pimple and... (goo)ber. Just a note about multilingual diversity of meanings :) |
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Yesterday (16 hours ago)
'i9' ++ |
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Today (13 hours ago)
Another vote for "Issue9" |
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Today (13 hours ago)
The programming language name "Go" should belongs to Mr. McCabe (et'al) and should not belongs to Google (yet, another type of programming language - YATPL). On contrary they produce a search engine they can't even googling for that the Go programming name already up. Shame on you google ! "Do" rename your google programming language to something may be like "DoGone" OR a better name like "DoGo". follow link http://www.misspedia.org/DOGO_programming_language.html (DOGO is a fictional programming language invented as a joke by John Unger Zussman) |
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Today (5 hours ago)
Simple solution: in the tradition of "C", drop the "o" and call it "G". I'm reasonably sure no one can lay claim to G. |
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Today (5 hours ago)
What about gola ? |
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