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naming suggestions from rick #52

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naming suggestions from rick #52

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Rick McGowan writes on 20081218:

e-039 glyph40 GREEN EARTH
Unless contrasted with a red earth or scorched earth or some other, 
this shouldn't be called by a color name. It should be "earth symbol" 
or such. 

e-044 glyph51 YOUNG GREEN LEAF -- I think would be better called 
"newly licensed driver symbol" or some such. 

"White Apple" is a misnomer for something that is documented as being 
"usually red", likewise "Black Apple" for something "usually green". 

Many of the symbols would be better prefixed with something 
descriptive, such as "emoji symbol" blah... 

Hamster should not be aliased or xrefed to "guinea pig" 

The open-toed sandal should not be called "mule". Yeah, some people 
call it that, but as a character name it's ambiguous amongst all the 
other emoji animals. 

"Poop" should be called something less slang, such as "feces". Please. 

Please make "mini disc" and "floppy disk" have consistent spelling.

Further on 20081219:

e-1C8 glyph131 should not be xreffed to "eagle" - none of the sources 
seem to mention any eagles. Just "bird". 

1-1E0 glyph155 - PIGS NOSE should be either "PIG'S NOSE" or "PIG NOSE" 
because the current name is incorrect ("s" without an apostrophe).

e-35A glyph214 is glossed "pouting" but all of the sources say "angry" 
(okotta). The name would be better as PERSON MAKING ANGRY FACE 
And... as a general rule: what is the difference between "X Y-verbing" 
and "X making an adjective Y"? For example: "person with angry face" 
versus "person making angry face"? A rule needs to be sorted out for 
naming such things. E.g., if one is animated.

e-4D2 glyph247 - I think the name "emblem" is far too generic. 
"Crown-like emblem" would be better.

e-4DB glyph256 WOMANS CLOTHES - should have an apostrophe in it. And 
should probably also be plural: women's clothes. Same with e-4CC, "Men's 
Shoe".

e-4DD glyph258 PRIZE BAG - should be called MONEY BAG. 

e-4F8 glyph285 CONSTELLATION - The name should not be "constellation". 
"Uranai" is fortune telling. But you already have one of those at e-4F7 
glyph 284. These should be unified, and called "fortune telling symbol".

e-4FA glyph287 KNIFE -- "cooking knife" is a better name for this. 

e-504 glyph297 NAME PLATE - would be better called "name badge". 

To be consistent with nearby characters, e-B7F glyph348 SYMBOLS SIGN 
should be called "symbols symbol".

e-538 glyph351 PC - name is too generic and abbreviated. Should be 
called "personal computer symbol".

e-54D glyph370 ROLODEX - Oops! "Rolodex" is a trademark of Sanford, so 
this name really MUST be changed. Perhaps "card filer" or something like 
that.

e-7D5 glyph622 SKI - should be called "boot with ski" or "skiing" or 
something like that.

e-7DD glyph387 FOOTBALL - should be called "American Football" to 
distinguish, because in most of the world "football" is "soccer".

e-7F4 glyph408 PATROL CAR - I would rather see this specified as "police 
car".


Original issue reported on code.google.com by markus.icu on 22 Dec 2008 at 10:17

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Some replies from me 20081218:

> "White Apple" is a misnomer for something that is documented as being 
> "usually red", likewise "Black Apple" for something "usually green". 

Yes. We have done this systematically, using customary black/white names and 
representative glyphs for Unicode characters that are mapped to colored 
Emoji. This was discussed and advised before in the UTC. 

> Many of the symbols would be better prefixed with something 
> descriptive, such as "emoji symbol" blah... 

I don't see precedent for that with old or recent (ARIB) symbols. 

> "Poop" should be called something less slang, such as "feces". Please. 

This has been discussed more than a year ago, including in the UTC, and 
"poop" was generally accepted. 

> Please make "mini disc" and "floppy disk" have consistent spelling. 

The Mini Disc standard format is called exactly that, while everyone uses 
"floppy disk" as far as I know. Inconsistent with each other, but consistent 
with customary spellings of each. 


Original comment by markus.icu on 22 Dec 2008 at 10:22

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Mark replied to Rick on 20081219:

> 1-1E0 glyph155 - PIGS NOSE should be either "PIG'S NOSE" or "PIG NOSE" 
> because the current name is incorrect ("s" without an apostrophe). 

On the apostrophe; it isn't allowed. 
Section 4.8  Name—Normative [...]
We can use PIG NOSE in this case. In other cases, I think the best choice 
might still be the genitive without apostrophe, but we should avoid where 
there are reasonable alternatives. 

> e-35A glyph214 is glossed "pouting" but all of the sources say "angry" 
> (okotta). The name would be better as PERSON MAKING ANGRY FACE 

There is only one source for this. Remember to read the key - only the white 
ones have roundtrips; the others are fallbacks, and should be considered in 
that light. So the key here is 

#822 
キャラクター(かわいく怒る) 
U+EB88 
SJIS-F48D JIS-7B6D 

vs 

#258 
顔2(おこったカオ) 
U+E472 
SJIS-F64A JIS-752B 

> And... as a general rule: what is the difference between "X Y-verbing" 
> and "X making an adjective Y"? For example: "person with angry face" 
> versus "person making angry face"? A rule needs to be sorted out for 
> naming such things. E.g., if one is animated. 

There was no attempt to make animated items use verbs in that way.

> To be consistent with nearby characters, e-B7F glyph348 SYMBOLS SIGN 
> should be called "symbols symbol". 

I can see why you'd say that. I think in TUS we don't have any consistent 
distinction between SIGN and SYMBOL. Compare: 
http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:name=/\bSIGN$/:] 
http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:name=/\bSYMBOL$/:] 
and even 
http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=[:name=/\bMARK$/:] 
And I don't know where this came from, but I can see why whoever came up 
with this wanted to avoid symbols symbol - sounds odd to me. 

Original comment by markus.icu on 22 Dec 2008 at 10:30

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Kat/Mark/Markus:

e-039 glyph40 GREEN EARTH
-> EARTH

e-044 glyph51 YOUNG GREEN LEAF
-> see issue 61

Hamster should not be aliased or xrefed to "guinea pig"
-> remove "Perhaps Guinea Pig" description

The open-toed sandal should not be called "mule". Yeah, some people 
call it that, but as a character name it's ambiguous amongst all the 
other emoji animals. 
-> see issue 60

"Poop" should be called something less slang, such as "feces". Please. 
-> DUNG

e-1C8 glyph131 should not be xreffed to "eagle" - none of the sources 
seem to mention any eagles. Just "bird".
-> remove the description

1-1E0 glyph155 - PIGS NOSE should be either "PIG'S NOSE" or "PIG NOSE" 
because the current name is incorrect ("s" without an apostrophe).
-> PIG NOSE

e-35A glyph214 is glossed "pouting" but all of the sources say "angry" 
(okotta). The name would be better as PERSON MAKING ANGRY FACE
-> no, not angry. no action

e-4D2 glyph247 - I think the name "emblem" is far too generic. 
"Crown-like emblem" would be better.
-> Kat to try to find out about usage. (Ask Kida-san.) Mark suggests "insignia".

e-4DD glyph258 PRIZE BAG - should be called MONEY BAG.
-> MONEY BAG

e-4F8 glyph285 CONSTELLATION - The name should not be "constellation". 
"Uranai" is fortune telling. But you already have one of those at e-4F7 
glyph 284. These should be unified, and called "fortune telling symbol".
-> keep separate
-> rename to SIX-POINTED STAR WITH CENTER DOT
-> don't mention "constellation" any more

e-4FA glyph287 KNIFE -- "cooking knife" is a better name for this. 
-> don't rename
-> remove description

e-504 glyph297 NAME PLATE - would be better called "name badge". 
-> NAME BADGE

e-538 glyph351 PC - name is too generic and abbreviated. Should be 
called "personal computer symbol".
-> COMPUTER

e-54D glyph370 ROLODEX - Oops! "Rolodex" is a trademark of Sanford, so 
this name really MUST be changed. Perhaps "card filer" or something like 
that.
-> CARD INDEX

e-7D5 glyph622 SKI - should be called "boot with ski" or "skiing" or 
something like that.
-> SKIING

e-7DD glyph387 FOOTBALL - should be called "American Football" to 
distinguish, because in most of the world "football" is "soccer".
-> AMERICAN FOOTBALL

e-7F4 glyph408 PATROL CAR - I would rather see this specified as "police 
car".
-> POLICE CAR


Original comment by markus.icu on 5 Jan 2009 at 11:58

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e-4F8 CONSTELLATION
-> rename to SIX POINTED STAR WITH MIDDLE DOT


Original comment by markus.icu on 6 Jan 2009 at 12:02

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Ken Whistler points out that we can't use the name EARTH:

Nope. EARTH is taken:

2641;EARTH;So;0;ON;;;;;N;;;;;

Try: GLOBAL EARTH SYMBOL or something similar, instead.


Original comment by markus.icu on 7 Jan 2009 at 8:20

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How about EARTH GLOBE? A globe is often used to mean a globe of the earth but 
it can
be a globe of the moon, etc. And so EARTH GLOBE would be more specific. The 
Japanese
name for this KDDI Emoji is 地球, which is "the earth".

Original comment by katmomoi on 7 Jan 2009 at 9:40

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EARTH GLOBE works for me

Original comment by markus.icu on 7 Jan 2009 at 9:50

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For e-7F9: to be consistent with the change from PATROL CAR to POLICE CAR, 
should we
rename e-7F9 to POLICE CARS REVOLVING LIGHT?

Original comment by katmomoi on 7 Jan 2009 at 10:13

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Fixed all issues mentioned here except the ones below. They were deferred to a 
later
revision:

e-4D7 MULE --> deferred to Issue 60
e-4D2 EMBLEM --> needs further usage research

Also to be conistent with the change from PATROL CAR to POLICE CAR,

e-7F9 was renamed to POLICE CARS REVOLVING LIGHT from PATROL CARS REVOLVING
LIGHT.

Original comment by katmomoi on 7 Jan 2009 at 10:32

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EARTH GLOBE works for me

Original comment by mark.edw...@gmail.com on 7 Jan 2009 at 10:34

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The relevant revision number is r83.

Original comment by katmomoi on 7 Jan 2009 at 10:36

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Please also make the following agreed change:

Hamster should not be aliased or xrefed to "guinea pig"
-> remove "Perhaps Guinea Pig" description


Original comment by markus.icu on 7 Jan 2009 at 11:43

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Fixed in r87: the remaining issue, i.e. removed the "Guinea Pig" comment from 
e-1CA:
HAMSTER

Original comment by katmomoi on 8 Jan 2009 at 1:45

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looks good

Original comment by markus.icu on 8 Jan 2009 at 9:24

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